Extra! Extra! The big bnb news!!!!! 3 legger on its way!

Same with 3-leggers, no? The reason the price is high is because it good good press, good coverage, and people generally like it!

 

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Taking pix in the snow!?! What a creative idea!

 

People like it because of hype and value, not because of attractiveness like toned coins.

 

Please read the bolded sections of your posts in this thread. I will assume that you were not intentionally being untruthful, but that was the end result.

It is my opinion that your opinions are meaningless and have no credible support from any leader in the numismatic community.

• 1937-D 3-Legged Buffalo is a scam----MEANINGLESS
• TPG Certification is the biggest scam---MEANINGLESS
• Toning is bad for the hobby, really bad---MEANINGLESS

Remember, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to my opinion of your opinion. If your opinions are radical (which yours are), you should expect strong opposition to them.

 

BNB, you guys got snow in LA?

 

I think he's bi-coastal. CT'ing from CT.

 

Gotcha...

 

Certainly scam wasn't my intention, as I don't believe that.

As for the toning, you cannot deny that allowing a coin to tone intentionally is harmful to said coin. Well, you can deny it, but you'll be wrong.

Many years ago, cleaning of coins was not only acceptable, it was encouraged, just as toning is now. On forums like this, people are encouraged to tone coins by putting them in sulfur-laden albums and envelopes. If, at some point in the future, the experts in the field determine toning to be harmful, what will become of the coins toned by collectors? They will be considered damaged, just as cleaned coins are now. The same goes for dipped coins. Toning is bad, but removing it is worse.

My ideas are radical, but what we know about coins now would seem very radical to collectors of the middle of the last century.

 

*wonders what that coin would look like without the toning*

Looks like a bird flew over... and dropped something special on Liberty's face. lol Which TPG graded this?

 

Yes. I am CT'ing from CT.

Anyone have an idea on what those lines through the obverse are now with that new picture I took?

 

I still don't really see them. Are the lines physically into or out of the coin (are they raised or sunken)...or is it more of a color thing?

 

I think you are right to a certain extent but you are being too generalized. Toning is oxidation which is a form or corrosion. Once some toning is present, as long as the coin is stored properly it's progress should stop and thus not be harmful to the coin. A little toning won't damage the coin but if it is left to progress it certainly will.

 

I don't have a problem with coins that are already toned. It's when coins are purposefully toned that really makes me fear for the future of all those once blast white coins.

 

Are they darker colored lines that are on the lower half of the obv? I think I can see them, but they are much clearer on the NGC Certification Pic: Verified certification information for 3214029-001 1937 D 3 LEGS It almost looks like a fingerprint.

 

The only lines I see look like scratches or hairs on the holder.

 

Sounds like your use of the word was like literary license to draw attention to your opinion. That being said, every silver coin tones and dipping is the only way to remove it, so that must make you a gold coin collector. I don't condone the act of intentionally toning coins but that does not preclude me from loving coins that have already toned. However, I still don't think toning damages the coin until the silver sulfide layer reaches a certain thickness.

I can play the "if" game as well. If the Chinese keep flooding the market with their mass produced copies, the only way to ensure originality will be to seek out coins with an original patina. Under that scenario, only toned coins would be desired by collectors.

BTW, I am not interested in what the coin market will be like in the middle of next century.

 

The coin is graded by NGC. Here is a link to the Heritage auction so you can get a better look at the surfaces. The coin is low end for an MS68 but got there because of the color. I have no problem at all with the assigned grade.

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1128&Lot_No=1873


Your other question could have two meanings. First it could mean that you are worried that the toning has damaged the surface and that if removed via dipping the damage would be evident. The toning on this coin is very deep and that is a possibility. However, I would never dip this coin so it is of little concern to me. The second meaning is that the toning is covering up some minor distractions causing it to be overgraded. I simply use photoshop to desaturate the photo to get a better look at the surfaces. Let me know if you see any bag marks on the obverse. I see some minor grazes in the left field and that is it.

 

I agree. Looking at that picture, it looks like a fingerprint. I wonder if a scanner might pick it up better. BNB, if you have a scanner maybe you should try and scan an image...perhaps whatever it is might be more visible then.

 

I did mention fingerprint back in post #61, and now with the new photo above, it looks even more like a fingerprint that initiated toning/corrosion ( the bluish appearing surface on the coin that appears as lines quite like a fingerprint). It is an AU coin, not a high grade MS coin, it is not readily apparent, it doesn't distract for an AU, it shouldn't affect the pricing of an AU. IMO.

Happy Holidays !

Jim

 

Darnit.. Is there any way to get it off?