1853 Qtr and 1868 Nickel

Please tell me how you would grade these two and what the value might be. Both look to have been cleaned at some point but they both have really nice detail and are not too bad to look at either.

Thanks ~ Darryl

 

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Shield Nickel- VF30

Seated Quarter-AU50

And yes both of these coins do appear to be cleaned, but they are still nice coins

 

Both look cleaned from the pictures, XF+ details on the quarter IMO.

 

I am leaning towards AU50 details on the qtr. Here are some realllly big pictures of the details. And yes, they both have been cleaned by someone that owned them before me.

How about values guys? Any thoughts???

Thanks

 

That quarter looks MUCH better now.

 

Thanks, the flashed washed it out. It is hard to capture the details because it reflects so much light. In hand it really does look nice even having been cleaned. The reverse has no distracting marks and has a couple interesting die cracks.

I am really anxious to see how I did on the purchase. wish I could get an estimate on value.

 

I don't know if it has AU details, though. You may be right that the photo doesn't show the detail correctly, but it is at least XF-45 (based on the photo, I cannot tell any more). The cleaning looks light in your second pics, and it shows some natural luster.

It's nicer than this one (which has a really dulled out, flat look), IMO :

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2665&lot=1437&imagetype=j2

By the way, that's an 1853-O:

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2627&lot=1488&imagetype=j2

That's an 1853. Yours exhibits better luster but the coin I gave appears to have less wear.

Here's an 1853 slabbed XF-45 that looks worse than yours:

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2244&lot=1602&imagetype=j2

I'd say a little over $100 is a fair price for your coin at an XF+. $150-$200 or so if it's AU and the picture is indeed hiding detail (and it does look possible), depending on how it looks in hand. Nice type coin.

 

Thanks!

 

the quarter has most definitely been dipped" .

 

Grade and value was all I was looking/hoping for - I stated that it was cleaned in two different posts???

Thanks for taking a look.

 

I would have to say it has VF/XF details. Probably anywhere between $40-$60.00

 

And how did you come up with that grade for details and what current book/sheet lists this coin at that price? Irespire I think nailed it. I am interested on what you base your grade and value.

 

I can assure you, it won't grade AU details. The price range I suggested is simply what I would negotiate. ( if I were interested in buying, which I am not )

I am also assuming the coin is RAW. The coin has very little numismatic value in this condition. The price range I provided is wholesale ranges for accurate graded "original" specimens, certified or raw. I think you might even be hard pressed to get an XF out of that. Hate to be down on your coin, but that's how I see it. IMHO

 

Again, any specific details on how you get to the grade?

Based on the links Irespire posted I don't get your posts. Those coins are also graded as cleaned and they seemed to have plenty of numismatic value? All I guess I can take from your current posts are you don't like the coin but may not reflect a market perspective. Just trying to understand your logic.

 

Again, look at the links that were posted on the Auction cleaned examples. One has been graded as AU details. Compare that obverse to your coin. Forget a moment about the reverse. Your example does'nt even come close to exhibiting the detail that one does.

Now look at the XF examples. Same scenario. Yours is lacking detail on the main devices , hair, neckline, shoulder clasp, leg, theirs are exhibiting quite more detail. Your OBV Field is quite distracting ( marked ), theirs are far less disturbing.

Now we come to those prices. AU details I believe was auction price at $160. The XF examples were $100 and $90.00. TPG graded.

Forget about the AU as far as I am convinced. So your looking at a slabbed coins with XF details, which in my opinion, are more worthy of that grade. So IMHO your coin would grade VF details on the high end. Price ? somewhere between $35.00 - $60. 00 If in fact it grades XF, than the $90.00 price tag is not out of line.

Now I am by far, no expert. Just one collectors assessment.

 

Thank you, at least now I understand your logic. I can tell you that my coin looks much better than the third example and has less wear in the breast and knees. I still feel that Irespire really nailed it on condition. The fact that the coin is raw hurts value in an on-line auction but would not matter on a table next to each other. Thanks for taking the time to explain your thoughts as it helps me and others that might read this thread! :thumb:

 

NO problem. Just remember, those were my opinions and I am pretty hard on grading especially when it comes to "cleaned" coins.

 

coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=29112&Lot_No=22360

This sold for $80.00 It exhibits far better detail ( less wear ) than yours IMHO.

 

I would think the quarter is at least XF details. Not so much because of the detail remaining that I see, but because a lot of luster remains, even after the cleaning/dipping. As a result, I think it was weakly struck and merits XF/AU details. Don't worry about the cleaning. Just remember that 90% of coins from that era were cleaned and you are fortunate to have one with some remaining luster.

 

Hmm well, I guess I should explain the rationale behind the figures I gave:

The reason I gave him the prices I did was because it appears that the pictures are poor, and just hiding detail rather than there actually being a huge amount of wear (especially based on the reverse eagle detail). The strike also appeared weak to me, particularly on the obverse, and giving the impression of wear IMO of course. Also, a VF details coin is not going to have much remaining luster. I have dealt with a VF-35+ details dipped (a nice looking one, though!) and though it probably showed close to the same detail, it had a lot more wear because it was a stronger strike.

So this is why I agree with Johnny's assessment. There doesn't appear to actually be that much wear, but I don't know if it will make AU because I don't know how the coin actually looks in hand. I personally think it has LESS wear than the coin you gave coinman, just a much weaker strike. However, that might have to be taken into account. So overall, I'd grade it low AU details at best, XF+ details at worst I suppose. Just my two cents.