3 each 1958 D Wheat Cents with early stages of Pre Cud

Going through a roll of 1958 D tonight I found 3 that are in the very early stages of becoming a pre cud which, of course, could then become a cud.

 

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I that what is considered a pre-cud?
I personally would consider that a die crack. It has yet to make its way to another part of the rim. I could be wrong though. Just asking.
Great pics btw!

 

Die Crack all the way !!

 

You are correct. I coined the term "early pre cud" because if you look at the pre cuds for 1958 D you will see every attribute except the closing path to the rim. I have no idea if the defect would have propagated further.

 

I realize that it is only a "Die Crack". But, I thought it might be interesting to see an earlier stage.

 

Tiny die cracks don't all go cud. In fact, the vast majority don't. Look at what you got on your Ts in CENT. I forget what causes those, I used to know.

 

What did you mean with the hilarious comment?

 

I see no pre-cud either. Thanks for the post.

 

I was trying to show what I thought could be an early stage. I never tried to claim it as a pre-cud. Everything has to start someplace, even a cud. Defects don't just show up one day in the final stage. The process should be interesting to anyone who collects or studies these features on coins. I looked closer and found one of these that has the crack completed to the rim.

 

Actually, looking closer, the other right side one has a completed path to the rim. Very light, but it is there.

 

Don't see upper marks

 

Actually a little bit higher than the arrow. If you click on the photo it will enlarge.

 

So the crack must be continuous from rim to rim in order for it to be a retained cud. I see 2 small cracks from rim to wheat ear. But nothing else.

 

Does anyone understand what I was trying to demonstrate? I was trying to show a possible early stage of cuds. I'm not trying to get confirmation that these are cuds. I really thought there would be some objectivity and curiosity present in those who collect or study these types of mint defects.

The feedback is predominately pointed in a negative direction, i.e., these are not cuds. OK, these are not cuds. And, they are not pre-cuds as we presently think of them. I find them interesting.

 

Did you possibly look and see if there was a final stage cud or even a preliminary retained cud, that fit this coins die cracks? Because if there was then you could search for the die markers and see if it in fact is an early die stage.

 

Thank you, that is a good lead.

 

@Pickin and Grinin The best I could do is some die chips in the base of the T in cents with a cud or pre cud. 1958 D 08R. Very close.

 

The photos really aren't that good on
http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-cuds-1950-1958/
for me to tell but check it against 09R in the link above.

 

I don't think any of the photos are good enough to declare a match. But, I think they are close enough to satisfy me that the conditions I found could very well be early stage cuds. But, what are those? It is just fun to try to get back in the process as far as we can.

 

I know. You tried it make it interesting but you did explain correctly in your original post. You did say it COULD be.