Fake Sold for 2,200 Euros at Kuenker...Migration Period Woes

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by The Trachy Enjoyer, Jun 4, 2021.

  1. The Trachy Enjoyer

    The Trachy Enjoyer Well-Known Member

    This "Libius Severus III Visigothic tremissis" sold for 2,200 euros at Kuenker...
    https://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotv...Lot=1299&Val=c6d96ab7ad5231ec59c70ff66f48d823
    faketremissis.jpg
    I stumbled across this while on coin archives...don't really know what to sayo_O

    A poor fake on eBay:rolleyes:...reverse die match
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    Another poor fake on eBay...obverse die match
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    :depressed:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/224486324116
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/174789649161
    Here are the eBay links to the die matched fakes... both sellers are from the Balkans...o_Oo_Oo_O

    I am not sure how this coin was ever accepted as genuine. Style is all wrong and surfaces look poor, fake die matches aside. Mistakes happen but still...:grumpy:...Kuenker has been contacted and I hope they refund the buyer.:cat:
     
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  3. PeteB

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  4. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    Wow - excellent detective work @ The Trachy Enjoyer, and thanks for your help to continue keeping people honest!

    Given the number of fakes cropping up these days it's more important than ever to continue doing due diligence. The crazy prices these days unfortunately only serve as a larger incentive for this type of forgery. In the subsequent auction feeding frenzy, it's also only natural that some fakes will be overlooked and will make it to the sales floor...
     
  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    So now what happens?
    A reputable seller sells a fake to a buyer for a big sum.
    If that buyer finally realizes that it is fake, what happens?
    I would hope the seller refunds the money.

    Kind of makes the seller look less than knowledgeable though, doesn't it?

    Glad I am nowhere near the target demographic for these kinds of fakes.
     
  6. The Trachy Enjoyer

    The Trachy Enjoyer Well-Known Member

    This is up my area of interest so I was able to notice the fake...however, I would imagine fakes like it sadly exist in every area...

    I dont believe I own a fake but odds are that we all will unknowingly own some over the course of our collecting:grumpy:

    the best we can do is share fakes and help others avoid them!
     
  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I am a huge fan of the forum's fake ancients database.
    Like I said, I am such a bottom feeder that I am probably unlikely to encounter a fake. Luckily, if I do, it won't have set me back such a significant sum.

    As for the OP coin, will you report it to the seller? How does that work? Is it on the buyer to figure out that they bought a bogus coin?
     
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  8. The Trachy Enjoyer

    The Trachy Enjoyer Well-Known Member

    I emailed kunker. Hopefully they take action...
     
  9. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    T.E., Thanks for this enlightening thread :happy:! I suspect we'll see a lot more quality fakes with the recent surge in prices of Migration Era coinage :(.
     
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  11. Ricardo123

    Ricardo123 Well-Known Member

    Kunker very good auction house with me but they missed the tremissis !
     
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  14. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Bottom feeder here. Despite the low price of like $0.80, I still managed to get a fake Licinius I.
    Licinius I fake (2020_11_18 03_38_31 UTC).JPG
     
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