Frank S Robinson thread

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Right- sorry for stating you created the thread.. with it removed I had no way of verifying that.. I guess I assumed so when I recalled reading one side of your private correspondence to the man..
Anyway it seems this topic should be closed out. I personally plan on bidding - to each his own ..or her own… or whatever floats your boat..

 

I LIKE ANCIENT COINS!


RR Anon AR denarius Roma 211-206 BCE ROMA incus Dioscuri single horn-helmet Sear-- Craw 68-1b SICILY ISSUE R

 

Me too!
That reminds me, I meant to ask you when you posted the one with the dog on it.
It was such a random spot for a dog to be...behind her head. Was there a reason for this? Or was it just the designer saying "Ya know, there is some empty space here, I think a dog would look great!"?
Just curious

 

That was @ominus1 ’s coin. I believe it is a control device. His is a favorite coin of mine.

My post is an Aes Grave (cast coin before Rome was stamping their bronze coins...)

 

Interesting.
Thanks for the info

 

I think you're right, it's probably too political.

Keeping political opinions and name calling off a numismatic site is important, especially if they have rules against it. While we all have political opinions that cover the spectrum, we have one thing in common, numismatics.

Political comments, REGARDLESS of ideology have no place here. Doesn't matter if they are overt, in your face like the ones that derailed the original thread, or subtle jabs and snarky references to the other side. THEY DON'T BELONG.

Note: I'm not being critical of the topic and some members have made some good points without resorting to name calling. If you feel it is a worthy topic, why derail it with a political statement. Based on your first sentence, you knew this was political, but chose to ignore the the rules and potentially inflame others. For what purpose?

I hope everyone will avoid politics on this board and report violations to the mods instead of taking actions into their own hands. Sorry for the rant.

 

Not a rant, but a great post.

I get frustrated with people whom may have some influence, or FEEL they have influence in the Modern Numismatics field, and they abuse their “influence” with political or snarky comments with their posts on CT.

As I had stated to him before: those are inappropriate remarks and behaviors. He admitted that. However, he has continued and still continues to devolve threads in the Ancients Forum with his inappropriate behavior.

Whether I agree with an opinion or not, NO ONE has the right to impose them on others, whether the opinion is overt or snarky. By expressing them, you are just causing needless conflict, when we are all trying to enjoy the intention of the CT Forum - to discuss and post our coin hobby. This is how I interpret the Rules of the Forum.


SYRACUSE
2nd Democracy 466-405 BCE
Æ Tetras
2.7g 15mm c.425 BCE
Arethusa dolphins -
Octopus 3 pellets
SNG ANS 376 Calciati II.21.1

 

As I mentioned in the now deleted thread, one great thing about ancient coins is we can discuss topics that were once extremely political in a way that's currently not.

I live near Seattle. In my professional life, I do a lot of business in rural Alabama. One can imagine given the traditional political opinions in both areas that I come across individuals with sharply different political views than mine. Nevertheless, we get along fine because we don't air our political laundry to each other. We each keep our own views and stick to the business.

Frank clearly crossed the line by airing his political grievances to the entire ancient coin community. He's welcome to promote his own views in other spheres, but an auction is not the right pulpit. Similarly, that specific individual in the other thread who used the discussion to tout what he believed wrong in the country was uncalled for.

Finally, on a positive note, I would like to remark that this thread has been very civil, and may be a model on how to discuss touchy subjects. From reading through the previous messages, we don't all quite agree, but we can still be nice to each other in our discussions.

 

Cointalk has standards, Frank has his own. Everyone (in their own mind rightfully) has become extremely sensitive. I watched a movie last night during this rainy and cold Memorial Day "Brimstone" that was about rape, murder, prostitution, incest and wildly anti-religious. Should I write to Showtime, or express my feelings publicly about being shocked to my core that was on, or should I switch the channel to the NBA (or is that now too political too)? Nothing beats a cringe-worthy car ride with my children when modern music comes on that isn't the "clean version" with rap music being the most egregious offender about violence, cursing and treatment of women - hey change the channel not everything is intended for everyone in every venue.

Life is too short, and to quantify that in the Roman imperial period the average reign of an emperor from Augustus to Theodosius I was eight years - ironically the term limit for President in the USA with only one historic exception.

Since this thread appears to be about the moderation of this forum I'd add that it is as relatively even-handed and by the book that a group of humans can do that want people to be able to talk about what they enjoy or in many cases what they don't.

I'm in the process of taking pictures for a thread that is sure to get people fired up. Numismatically speaking of course!

 

I hesitated to respond to any of the posts that came after my initial thread for fear I would end up having the thread taken down again. But in response to the above posts by GDJMSP, I guess if it's your ball, you get to decide who gets to play. I've learned a lot about some of the members here on Coin Talk over the last two days.

 

My first impression exactly. This thread was doomed from the start. @tartanhill just referenced a provocative political expression, but that shouldn't it off the hook.

 

So it's quoting Frank's original comment (in order to complain about it) that crossed the line? I guess if one imagines Frank having made that original comment here about that coin -- essentially, mocking and making fun of an anti-rape/sexual assault movement -- I can see that it would have been considered improper. Although I think it wouldn't have been so much because it was "political," as because it was plain indecent. Opposition to rape and sexual assault shouldn't be a position that's considered political or appropriate for jokes. It's not inherently a "provocative political expression," for goodness' sake!

Still, although I understand that the moderators aren't required to wait for a complaint before taking action -- and that the moderating team can't be everywhere all the time -- I do wonder if anyone actually complained about the thread before it turned expressly political with the naming of cases involving politicians, the accusations of hypocrisy and selective outrage, etc.

 

I am, of course, speaking in a wider context. The dilemma faced by any forum and social media company, is how to regulate content. People will post all sorts of comments, some with the intention to generate conflict and discord. From a civil liberties view point that is their right, but (a very important but) it is the right and responsibility for CT and others to staunch these comments, as they violate CT policies.

I am by no means condoning hate speech or the divisive comments of trolls. This kind of behavior has helped to drive our society to the point where it is today. And this is the conundrum of our democracy: while freedom of speech is protected by the Constitution, that very freedom can, and is, used to undermined its very foundations.

I do understand the policy of taking down threads that violate CT policies, and CT has every right to do so.

 

My Eddie VII florin (NGC MS61) is ex Frank Robinson with tickets. Very lovely ancients here!

 

Excuse me, but the coin coupled with the words referencing the movement (...or did you fail to catch the #?) most definitely made it a political expression. And while one may want only to discern the immoral indecency expressed, the political aspect was provocative, too, in that it expressed, screw the #movement. This was a goner from the start, it should never have been posted here. It was looking for trouble and got it.

 

OK. I thought you were saying the phrase "me too" itself is a provocative political expression.

 

From FSR:

ATTICA ATHENS
AR Tetradrachm
OBVERSE: Helmeted head of Athena right, in crested Attic helmet decorated with three olive leaves over visor and a spiral palmette on the bowl
REVERSE: AΘE, owl standing right, head facing; olive sprig and crescent behind
Struck at Athens Circa 454-404 BC
17.2g, 26mm
Svoronos pl. 11, 20, Kroll 8; HGC 4, 1597
Former CNG

 

Oh no. In itself, it's not a political expression. Let the record reflect...

 

Nice dipped coin, I like it.