I agree with Speedy. In-hand is the only way to be sure on this one. While I think I see what Doug is talking about, my first impression is that the mint mark is properly shaped, and it sits in the diagnostic depression. Unless in-hand I thought I could see solder, I would still be inclined to say genuine. That said, I agree that I'd never gamble genuine money on this seemingly questionable coin.
Let's not forget that the original owner did view it in hand - and marked it as a fake. Couple that with what I can see in the pics, and you have the reason for my opinion.
I don't see anything in the images that leads me to believe that the mintmark is fake. There are heavy die polish lines around it , and the mintmark has the correct shape. It has a little strike doubling which is normal. That being said, I would never buy one of these raw again (I have, and I was lucky!).
I know the past owner had it in hand - but we don't know anything about the past owner. What books did he have...who did he show it to...what background did he have. All of those are questions that would lead to the point of if he was in the "know" enought to know if this was fake. While I'm no expert, I have bought and traded quite a few 1932-D's in different grades, and without this in hand, I can't be sure, but I think it looks good. Speedy
Dock, Trust me when I say my father was not one who would or could make a fake. He was a college professor (PhD, Mass Communications) who loved collecting coins. I do not know how this made it into his collection, but I do know he did not create it.
Well, I'm gathering up several coins to send in for grading. I think I will go ahead and ship this one too, just for the heck of it. I mean why not? For me this isn't about wanting to sell it or finding value. I'm just having a great time with playing with this coin! lol
That's what it's all about. The die polish lines make me thing it's real. Let us know how it comes back.
send it off to someplace that at very least will slab it as genuine. That way, if cleaned, there's still no question as to authenticity
They do not use the word "genuine", but they "details" grade. See http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/news/ViewArticle.aspx?IDArticle=1310&
Hmmm... I guess I could use some advice as to which service to use. I was thinking NGC, but perhaps PCGS would be a better option. I have never sent coins in before. I was planning on using NGC for a first try.
Sparkyg...sorry to hijack this once again, but with that scope you just bought can you see things live on your monitor, or do you have to first take a photo and then view it?
Jallen, You can see things live on your screen. The process of taking the pictures is done via the computer. The camera is about the size of a film canister and has a USB2 mini connection. It takes wonderful pics, but if one wants the whole coin to be photographed one would need to use a macro lens on a regular digital camera. If i can answer any other questions let me know.
Those die lines can easily be mimicked with a diagonal "swipe." The columns in the D look odd to me but the angle of the serifs look normal. The fact that the original owner dubbed it fake just adds to my skepticism.
I agree, if the original owner dubbed it as fake, it is certainly suspect, but also remember that expert after expert declared the Walton 1913 Nickel a fake for years. The original owner could have been wrong, too.
"Those die lines can easily be mimicked with a diagonal "swipe." " In the photos, the lines appear to me to be raised, and do not pass through the mintmark. This would be characteristic of die polish, not applied scratches. This, of course, is my interpretation of the photo, and as such is merely an opinion.