What happened to this coin?

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  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I don't understand how this coin can be so scratched up yet the rim was not affected. Could this be a counting wheel mark?

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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    It was ground down a little by something?.
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Looks like PMD or post mint damage .I don't see hairline scratches indicative of counting wheel marks .
    Counting wheel damage occurs as the coin passes under the counting wheel and usually appears as a highly "buffed" area on the coin.
     
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  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Don't look at me! I didn't do it!

    Wouldn't a counting wheel also affect the rim?
     
  6. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Nope . . . planchet stock was thinner and striated in this area before strike. Possibly a tapered planchet from uneven calendaring of the coil from which the strip was slit.
     
  7. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    WHen I sharpen my fillet knife it looks just like that
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    What is the evidence of this?
     
  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    That's the first thing that came to mind for me. If the planchet or planchet stock had some damage in the area, the act of going through the upsetting mill and being struck would wipe out damage in the higher rim area while it remains in the field.
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Are you sure they're scratches?
     
  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    They cut into the coin's letters.


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  12. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    It appears to be PMD. I would think if it was on the planchet, the marks would be weaker in the fields. It’s obviously struck by a worn die, evident by the flow lines. It’s not an abraded die because the devices have heavy abrasions. This makes me think that it was some small rotary tool:
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  13. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    Something like this:
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  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    What we see in your images is the striated surface of the planchet struck up incompletely where the planchet thickness was less than normal. Because the planchet was unconfined in this area, the surface was not effaced by flowing metal . . . It was lifted instead. Thus, the striations remain.

    If the coin had been scraped / scratched post strike, the material would have been extruded beyond one edge of the affected letters, and the scratches would not stop abruptly at the edge of the upset rim.
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I know die polishing wouldn't normally reach into those crevasses on the dies but I had to risk asking to be sure as these are only photos we're evaluating.
     
  16. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Crevasses are in glaciers!:oops:
     
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  17. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I do agree with ToughCOINS. Damage occurred before strike.
    What is the coins weight? And what does the reverse look like?
     
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  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Wise guy. ;)

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    noun: crevice; plural noun: crevices
    a narrow opening or fissure
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    plural noun: crevasses
    a deep open crack, especially one in a glacier.
     
  19. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    What would you expect from a Virgo?:)
     
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  20. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    That is what also confuses me. Has anyone offered a reasonable explanation?
     
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  21. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    No. This is still a live one. I still think it's not implausible this happened at the Mint, it's some kind of touch-up.
     
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