Ebay lotto - Lincoln roll with 1914D & 1909S

Good evening everyone,

So after hearing many recent Ebay success stories i was looking for unsearched wheat pennies on ebay earlier and stumbled accross a shotgun wrapped roll with a 1914 D and 1909 S on either end and just had to roll the dice. It could be a VDB right? :thumb:

If you read the auction this roll was a part of an estate sale several years ago and was labeled as "save" - obviously for the end coins but I am hoping there are some hidden treasures in there! As long as the coins are not fake I think I did OK as in G4 condition the 1909S lists at $115 in an old coin prices magazine I have and the 1914D lists for $220 and I think both coins are at least that and more but won't know for sure until they are cracked open. :bigeyes:

The coins look to be in pretty good condition and the 09s appears to be a "woody". What do you all think of the grades at first glance? Would you have bought it? It appears to be an untampered shotgun roll, would you hold it or open it?



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Yeh, and I have a bridge to sell you. Can't see enough of the 14-D to comment, but I would guess teh 09-S has been cleaned and it is not a VDB. The MM is in the wrong spot for any VDB.

 

Perhaps I'm just a skeptic, but I just can't believe any "unsearched" stories, especially on Ebay.
I also can't believe that such a roll could ever exist naturally with a 1909 S and a 1914-D both heads side up, I mean what are the odds? Even if that did occur, you expect me to believe the finder of said roll didn't open it up immediately?

As for the shotgun wrapped nature of the roll - this can be achieved via a cheap plastic tool called a twist-n-crimp. This tool works moderately well, but does not achieve a perfect shotgun wrapped look like a more expensive machine. A very similar look, I might add to the roll you posted. Even if it did look perfect, I would chalk it up to the seller having access to one of the industrial crimping machines.

I'd also be be very worried about the unseen areas of these coins - deep gouges, scratches, corrosion, unsightly rim bumps...the list is endless. As for the areas I can see - I don't like the color of the 09-S, I'd guess cleaned as well :/
Sorry to be negative about it..I'm just a skeptic.

Ben

 

I'm pretty sure their is no such thing as unsearched coins anymore,unless you personally find a roll buried somewhere or hidden away in some old place. I found a old tobbaco can one time in a box of junk at an estate auction,when I opened it to see why it was so heavy silver dollars from the 1920;s spilled all over the ground, that box of junk sold for alot of money.closest I've seen to unsearched!

 

If you're happy with what you paid for the end coins, that's fine, but I wouldn't count on there being a bunch of good ones in between. For your sake I hope there are more good dates in the roll.

I have to wonder....how could somebody own that roll for 8 years without opening it? I couldn't own it for 8 minutes without opening it.

That gamble is a good bit beyond my typical risk level as a rule. I hope it works out well for you, but I have to admit to being a bit of a skeptic.

FWIW....stay away from the guy selling the striped rolls of mixed indian heads and wheats. Those rolls are the kind that Walmart has on the shelf right this minute, and if you were to tumble a few of them at a time in a rock tumbler....they would get fuzzy looking like that. A friend of mine bought one of those rolls, and we unwrapped the wrapper....and it was just as pristine and new where it was rolled. It looked just like the brand new ones. In his case...the end coins were the only coins worth much of anything.

Nightowl

 

no worries about negative skeptics, there definitely could be some hidden damage. The guy does not appear to be a coin seller and I guess I am just hoping for the best, and hoping that other sellers on Ebay are as honest as myself.
I am a bit worried about the 09S being cleaned or scratched but again it is really hard to tell from the pics. I doubt it is a VDB too but you never know right? Well you probably know a lot more about the lincolns then me and are probably right but given that the coins are not fake/damaged I guess I paid about retail for them?

Not really sure what the going rate for these coins may be - anyone know the G4 greysheet value off hand?

I know I have wasted more money on lottery tickets in my lifetime then I have made back. This may be one of those but guess I won't know til I get em.

 

Well I have to disagree with you there. It is still in the process of being verified but a user here Jallengomez just found a 1955 Doubled Die in an Ebay lot, and people find stuff everyday. There is just no way it is all searched! May I would have loved to have found that old tobacco can!

Yeah the guy said the rest of the coins from the estate lot were 1930's and before and didn't mention any key coins that came out of them. Yeah I probably will rip it open when I get it, I'd be suprised if I made it 8 full minutes

I admit I have been taken by unsearched rolls 1 time before and this may be no different. But I think the 2 end coins will end up where I should at least break even. I hope

 

I do not doubt that it is a vdb, I know it is not. The MM is too high for any of the 4 dies used to produce the original coins. Alternatively, if there is a VDB on the back, it is a fake. Regardless, if the coins are real, you did well. If..............

 

Here's a risk level that's more my speed. Maybe that 1888 is a snow-1 variety....at the very least, if that's not a crease across the 64-L, I feel like I will have gotten my money's worth.

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I may take a gander at the book about "out of body experiences"....since I know way less about that than I know about "out of mind" experiences.

Nightowl

 

You're right there!! Jallengomez did find a 1955 DD but that doesn't prove that it came from an unsearched roll. It could have been a roll that was searched but the guy missed it.

What would be great is if you would let us know what happens when you get your "unsearched roll". There may actually be some, who knows for sure? That said, ppl on this forum have run into sellers of these unsearched rolls buying bonus coin plants for their rolls. It happens all the time. good luck

 

That coin didn't come from a roll....but from a bag of loose cents. Certainly everything's probably been searched by now, but people still find things occassionally despite the fact that "it's all been searched" already. How well it's been searched, or what it's been searched for....may be another story.

Nightowl

 

You are right it does not prove anything, but if someone is "searching" the coins and misses a 55 DD then I'll take those SEARCHED lots anytime!!!

I will definitely let everyone know what comes of it. My bid was mostly based on the 1914D anyway hoping it would grade out at a F12-F20. If it does then i will be very happy.

 

Before I spent too much more rolling the dice, if I were you, I'd learn how to grade. There is no such grade as "F-20."

I'd wager a tidy sum that the best you are going to do on this deal is break even, and I think you'll be lucky to do that. If the 14-D is a VG, and that's what the obverse looks like, it's worth about $200 (Grey Sheet is 185/200). And the 09-S is so damaged that even if it is a VG, I doubt that you'll get much more than $50 or $60 for it.

Sorry for raining on your parade, but my title here ain't "Ruthless Realist" for nothin'.

 

Geez my bad - "VF20" - is that better? If I were you, maybe I would learn some manners instead of commenting on others knowledge, it was a simple typo. Insult the coins all you want but you know nothing about me so leave your personal comments to yourself.

It was late when I was writing this and if I break even YES I will be happy.

I guess I'll just wait til I have the coins to continue posting.

 

Hey John,
Good luck with that roll. There is a ton of stuff out there that we don't know about. Every now and then, it comes out of the woodwork. I saw that roll on the 'Bay and thought about bidding myself....probably good that I didn't get into a bidding war. I trust you will post the "finds" when you get the roll. Me?..I would open it...although I still have a $10 box of original rolls of 1954-S Lincolns I have yet to crack open. I did buy an "original" roll of '43-S Lincolns from a dealer at a show in Phoenix. It had been opened on one end "to see what MM was there" I finally gave in and opened it up.....have yet to figure out how a '43-P and a '43-D got into that "original" roll?!??!
Good Luck!

 

I wonder more and more about how many MM doctors there are out there. Is there a supply house out there selling MMs? It seems like I see more and more coins on eBay with the MM just a little bit out of place, or else it's the wrong type of MM as well.
Chuck

 

Good luck on finding something and I hope it works out.

 

I purchased a 1914-D in F12 last year for $243. Although it is difficult to tell from the pic on the end of the roll, I wouldn't rate this coin any better than a VG8 and more likely a G4. I'm thinking it could be worth $100 depending on the condition of the reverse.

 

I used to remember seeing all sorts of 'funny' coins when I was younger... which now I learned were DD's... oh well haha. Think I took them all to the bank in a big jar for beer money in high school.

 

Great buy. I think that at worst, you probably broke even and at best...who knows, but can't wait to see what you get. I basically set my bids at a break even price based upon what I know about the item and a little intuition based upon the seller. If I only break even I consider that a big success. Where else can you play the lotto and return the ticket(so to speak) if you don't win?