GTG: 1897 Quarter Eagle

hey @GeorgeM great looking coin on both sides. MS64 good luck to ya

 

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Since there's no reveal yet, I'm changing my guess to MS61, a very common grade for these.

 

At least one person has gotten this right. I'm going to leave the poll up for a week so that a few more people get a chance to guess.

The guesses so far are quite broadly distributed.

 

That was me!

 

I'll guess 62+, nice coin and scarce.

 

No...Me!

 

At the time of the reveal, 58% of y'all think it's overgraded, & 29% think it's undergraded. Interesting.

 

i was off by 1/2 a point. I'm really getting better at these GTG threads. anybody else see there guesses getting better? great job @GeorgeM, keep them coming. good luck to ya sir

 

I got the 63 but I didn’t say +. That’s close enough in horseshoes to win points.

 

It just shows how photos can give different spins on the grades. I went from half a point off, MS-64, to 1 and a half points off, MS-62.

Believe it or not, this one is graded MS-67. It is my current #1 type coin for the design.

 

Back in the good old days it would have graded BU. Better than Unc. but not quite a Gem BU, or a Superb Gem BU. There are too many grading choices in the Sheldon system, without adding more confusing + or *. I think the whole grading system is a market related nightmare for the modern collector. Sometimes I just want to rip all of them out of their plastic tombs and just enjoy them. Sheldon grading system is just a scheme for grading services and high end investors, not conducive to the average collector.​

 

That was because of the inconsistency in the pictures. The initial set showed a MS 63+ coin, with nice, clean surfaces. The second set of pictures showed a circulated coin, with lots of marks. Try to be more consistent with pictures. We are grading the pictures, not the coin in hand. The problem was the pictures.

 

I think there are clear differences up to mint state that can be summed up in verbal descriptions. Bryond MS60, photo comparison with other coins from the same mint and date is the only way to zero in precisely.

Even with the slabs, there's still a human in the loop & a lot of subjectivity. I suspect that in the next 10 years, we'll see a switch to trained AI analysis. And many coins currently slabbed will move as much as 3 steps up or down on re-analysis. Perhaps then we'll see the adoption of "++"?

 

63.753

 

I'd agree, but for an example, I have a 69-D Kennedy in PCGS MS66, worth about $60, but I also have one of the same in a 66+, worth 20X more with the + on it. LOL! But what's really sick is that the MS66 is actually a nicer coin!

 

hey @johnmilton your 1907 above is one beautiful lady. and i agree with your assessment towards photos. a lot of times when looking at slabbed coins online i cant get a good read on the overall coin because of the scratches on the slabs. good luck to ya sir

 

MS60

 

Yes the pictures were not consistent causing me to be a bit confused too.

 

What a pretty coin!

This is why I much prefer to buy coins in person, rather than relying on a seller's photo. Photos can absolutely mislead. And, why I prefaced my photos with a description of the slab and took some in different lighting conditions.