No idea what this is. Genuine or fake?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Lueds, May 1, 2021.

  1. Lueds

    Lueds Well-Known Member

    Unknown coin 2.jpg Unknown coin 3.jpg

    So, this is not mine, but I was interested in determining what it is. I tried Image searches and came up blank.

    I know there are plenty of knowledgeable people who could possibly answer this.

    Thanks
     
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Not an expert but it doesn't look like it was made thousands of years ago to me(fake).
     
  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I'm confused by the question . The bird or the coin ? :hilarious:
     
  5. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    Looks like a peacock. I agree with @potty dollar 1878 though. I think its a modern replica.

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  6. Lueds

    Lueds Well-Known Member

    I would have thought it was obvious it was the coin I was asking about, seeing we are in an ancient coin forum and I did post both sides of the coin.

    I was hoping for some of our Ancients friends to chime in and tell me if this is a real coin, fantasy piece or counterfeit (Modern or otherwise) as I know zero about ancients
     
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  7. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I’m leaning modern fantasy - the second image looks very much like a medieval coin (like the Grossos of Venice), but medieval coins were not usually this thick. But if you look outside the beaded border of the peacock, the impression in the metal is a perfect circle which is unusual. If you had just shown the second image I would be pausing more, but the peacock just doesn’t look right to me (note I am no expert, so value my opinion at the rate you paid for it)
     
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  8. singig

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  9. Lueds

    Lueds Well-Known Member

    @singig thanks. The detail on the peacock is such that I was unsure if this is actually a real 'ancient' coin or something else. I've not seen such detail on an ancient, never thought of a medieval.

    @FitzNigel Thanks buddy. Not having delved into Ancients or medieval coinage I was uncertain.
     
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  10. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    Nah, definitely not an ancient coin. Agree with the others that it is some kind of fantasy piece. The legends on the reverse don't appear legible either.
     
  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Well, it's definitely a genuine something, just not a genuine ancient coin. Could be old, though. Say, 100, 150 years old? Antique, perhaps, but not ancient.
     
  12. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    The reverse clearly copies venetians zecchini's obverse :

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    Q
     
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  13. Scuba4fun777

    Scuba4fun777 Well-Known Member

    Looks like very soft metal, as if someone took a .50 caliber lead ball and struck it in between a few very recently machined dies.
     
  14. CaptHenway

    CaptHenway Survivor

    First of all, I have never seen one of these before and have no knowledge as to what it is.
    Second, my hunch is that it is a gaming counter of some sort, possibly from as far back as the 19th Century. It is not unusual to find a coin or coin-like design on one side of a 19th Century game counter.
    Good luck identifying it!
    TD
     
  15. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    I have a "gut" feeling that by the sharpness of the peacock design and the lack of patina (even on lead or pewter) it was made with-in the last 50 years. WHY? There you got me. Good luck with it though.
     
  16. DiomedesofArgos

    DiomedesofArgos Well-Known Member

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  17. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    The peacock and the type of flan reminds me of Cambodian silver coins from the mid 1800s. The style looks too sophisticated, though:
    https://coincoin.com/srCB.htm
     
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  18. Lueds

    Lueds Well-Known Member

    Indeed it does! Thank you.

    Looking at how 'crude' these designs are and the fact that there doesn't seem to be any with peacocks on the reverse, I'd lean towards it being a modern fantasy piece.
     
  19. Rudy1198

    Rudy1198 Member

    Definitely seems modern to me.

    It looks like pewter or lead? Likely the moneyer put these two different time periods to ensure it would not be passed off as real. I work with a group who experiments with ancient and medieval coin production, I'll run this by them and see if anyone recognizes the makers mark. I think the mark is that trident on the 3 o'clock.
     
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  20. Rudy1198

    Rudy1198 Member

    Are these images from the same coin? The two images make it look like there are two different blank thicknesses.
     
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  21. Lueds

    Lueds Well-Known Member

    One and same coin
     
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