Hi, I picked up this Richard I penny and am having trouble identifying the type, any help would be much appreciated!
...Sorry, this is out of my league. It does look more like Richard than Henry II, John, or earlier Henry III, but I'm stumped on the class. You've got most of the moneyer's name (minus the mint), but I'm having trouble squinting that out, too.
Were there any coins of Richard I from English mints or were they from his possessions on the Continent or Outremer?
Yes, this is from him as king in England struck in England - before that ruling Aquitaine and other French kingdoms as a Duke he issued coins on the continent and continued this as king but they didn't have his portrait.
So, on the obverse I can see it's certainly in the name of Henri as all of Richards penny's are...on the reverse I see an AVPON or maybe an AVRON at the top with no cross in the centre, which I don't see other examples. It doesn't seem to be any of the common types I'm seeing online. If anyone has ANY ideas, suggestions or anything else of that nature please let me know!
Okay - The cross is at 9 o’clock the way you have it orientated. So I think this is DAVID ON (Everwic). Everwic is Eboracum, which is the city of York. What I am not so sure about, is that the legend looks like it ends with a ‘W’, and while the ‘ic’ could be accounted for by an abbreviation, there is a lot of space between the E a d the W
But I reserve the right to be wrong here. Some others with a better feel for these may chime in with a better answer
My thought is +DAVI ON E[VER]W. Compare the reverse (only) of the 1st coin below. The initial cross pommée, chatacteristic of class 5a2, is different but otherwise the reverse is quite similar. According to North, Davi struck classes 4b-5b at York. For portrait and letter forms (i.e. class), the 2nd coin below, a class 4b, looks close. North assigns 4b - indeed all of Davi's work at York - to John's reign. Like @FitzNigel, I reserve the right to be wrong.
I need to be more awake. I thought you said Richard 1 Petty, like the race car driver. Nice looking coin by the way.
North lists Davi as only having been in York for Classes 4b-5b, which are all John. ...Now, to narrow down the class, a better pic of the obverse would help.
With (thanks and) apologies, I'm still running into trouble. North mostly distinguishes the classes and subclasses for this interval on the basis of variations in the lettering and initial crosses, the operant ones being worn, weakly struck or off the edge.
Classes 4 and 5 are are distinguished primarily by the portrait. Compare the two coins I posted previously. The first coin is class 5, the second is class 4. The portrait on the op is mushy but clearly not class 5. That leaves us with 4b or 4c. North rates 4c as "very rare". As to whether it's Richard or John, North puts the Richard/John divide at 4a/4b. On the other hand, the several 4b coins in the CNG archives are all assigned to Richard. I suspect something has changed along this line in the last 30 years. One can always play it safe and go with "in the name of Henry II, posthumously by Richard I and/or John"...
