Discolored 2020 Quarters

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Michael Wuensch, Apr 26, 2021.

  1. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  3. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Yeah me too. I hate being as dumb as you.
     
  4. Mark68

    Mark68 Well-Known Member

    Hey @Cheech9712: you like well done or medium rare? 20210428_204208.jpg 20210428_204215.jpg 20210428_204351.jpg
     
  5. cpm9ball

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    Look at it this way! If we were in a marathon race with the rest of the dummies, we would finish a long, long time before most of the others.;)
     
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  6. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not as think as you dumb I am.
     
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  7. cpm9ball

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    Would you rather be dink and thumb?:rolleyes:
     
  8. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Only kidding. I got you beat by miles
     
  9. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  10. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    You might right be
     
  11. cpm9ball

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    Why do you think I posted this ;) ?
     
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  12. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Your fun
     
  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    On the most dumber scale. That is
     
  14. igotchange

    igotchange Active Member

    kinda funny you asking about the discoloration because i think it was you that set me straight when i asked if they were missing clad coins.i have many of those copperish tited specimens.its very obvious that the mintbis up to something.ive found so many while searching cases snd i post i get the same two responses.i dont see anything wrong(please get glasses its clear as day!) or spend it.cmon people
     
  15. igotchange

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    btw im pretty sure that the lines come from wisdom(ageing)well that's what my mom told me anyway.
     
  16. playpossum0985

    playpossum0985 Global Cooling Protester

    Hi all, it's been a while... I have a little to add to the theory on these striations. I agree with Mr. Burgess, they most certainly are from the rollers on the pre-punched sheet itself. I've seen this happen when a roller locks up, but the sheet keeps getting pulled, more often than not towards the ends of the sheet. I could see it happening in the manufacturing of the sheet itself, or while feeding it into the punch press. I think these scratched sections are then punched for blanks, then possibly somehow miss the washing process, or the washing process fails to remove them entirely. I suppose there is also a chance of some blanks remaining in a ballistic bag, then the bag is reused to collect washed blanks on the other end.

    In searching about fifty 2020 quarter rolls, I found over 30 of these. They all stood out immediately when I opened the rolls due to the toning. Normal coin on left. 046.JPG 047.JPG
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  17. playpossum0985

    playpossum0985 Global Cooling Protester

    Also, if these flaws came from the heavy steel rollers that sized the sheet, or were used in the lamination process, the friction would build up heat on an already hot blank sheet. This could easily overheat the cladding and cause the discoloration. A dirty roller (if rolling) would leave some impressions, but can only leave drag marks if they are locked up or stopped.
     
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  18. playpossum0985

    playpossum0985 Global Cooling Protester

    That all being said, if these sheets/rolls are either visually inspected by one of my fellow homo-sapiens, or electronically, by the mint, and it in accordance with it's quality guidelines, should not have passed such inspections... In my publicly educated brain, this technically makes it a mint error does it not? If no such quality standard guidelines are in place, then it is just another coin... In my humbled opinion!!!
     
  19. Michael K

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    Improperly annealed I think would be an error.
    While if it's just toning, it's not.
    As for the striations, first the exact cause would have to be agreed upon,
    and then it could be determined if it was a mint error or not. If the striations
    were known, and passed anyway how could that be an error? Since it was accepted and put into circulation, when the condition was known not to be perfect? If the plan was not to allow ANY coins with striations into circulation, and a few coins escaped this strict process and were rare, then I could see them being errors. But it is my feeling these coins are not rare, and even if it was ruled an error, I doubt there is any premium above face.
    What other coins with striations, are encapsulated as errors? Ask paddyman if he has any in his collection.
     
  20. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    Striations or lines on coins, in the broadest sense, are an error, however there are added value errors, and no added value errors, and this really depends on if there is a demand for it or not in the collector community.

    Planchet striations would technically be a pre-strike error in the planchet making process, that doesn't get wiped out in the strike. this has happened many times over the years and I can't think of a single instance that it adds value to a coin or decreases the value either. Morgans with Striations don't gain value either I've seen them going back to 1880s. just not something that collectors are willing to pay a premium for.

    The coin is struck weaker than the one without the lines on it, you can tell this from the girls hair and the sleeve wrinkles, it's still and acceptable strike, just weaker than the one that doesn't have the striations on it. I'd agree with @playpossum0985 that the roller froze and the coining sheet squealed through the rollers and the strike wasn't quite strong enough to obliterate the lines left behind.
    As far as the color here, I've also found them in grey color, always somewhat darker than one without them, not sure if it's got to do with the temp, or if they lube the sheet up to get it out of there and nobody rinses it off and it gets struck into the blanks when the coin is minted.

    I don't think it's got to do with annealing though. something happens in the planchet making process to cause the lines, light grease might be the surface contaminant, even to cause the weaker strike possibly, and then the strike doesn't get rid of the lines totally.

    from my experience, which isn't much, annealing errors (on clad quarters) tend to look like some variation of this, color can vary by how the annealing process error occurred and the material of the coin (like mostly nickel, or clad) , I'm no expert though. I just know I found it in a solid roll of 2019 AMP in 2019 when I was looking for Ws and came across the two boxes of AMP Ps.

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    which reminds me, I should revisit this coin and get some better pictures.

    Here's a cent with Striations also, only example I have so I've you've seen it before, apologies, been a while since I've taken pictures of anything new. it way too uniform to be linear plating bubbles and same direction obverse and reverse on the flip and runs through fields and devices. maybe there are some linear plating bubbles also in the mix. Seems to be a strong strike though.. Not sure why they are still visible unless it was severe and on the zinc core before plating possibly?

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  21. playpossum0985

    playpossum0985 Global Cooling Protester

    So the 25 cent question is ... Say hypothetically all other devices were determined flawless. Would the striations prevent an MS70 grade?
     
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