1972 Kennedy Half Dollar with PMD?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by amnight, Apr 24, 2021.

  1. amnight

    amnight Active Member

    Found this coin today and wanted to know if this is an example of PMD. The area is on the reverse of the coin where the word "UNITED" is. If it is an error, I would like to know what kind of error it is. Thank you! reverse.jpg obverse.jpg 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg
     
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Damage not an error-(F.V)
     
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  4. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    vice job probably
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    DEFDAM - Definitely Damaged
    Not a Mint Error issue :yack:
     
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  6. Kurisu

    Kurisu Well-Known Member

    The giveaway is how the metal is curved up and out at the edge of the gouge or hit.
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I think it’s an error. Look closely at the rim. On the rim just above the E appears to be an upside down A. It also looks like the cross on the top of the T is also upside down and on the rim. This gives me the impression that it’s a double strike and the AT is from STATES. The curved and displaced metal on the area would be normal. It’s not sharp for something that hit the coin but smooth like it would be from a rim impression.

    Please take a second look and correct me if I’m mistaken. This could easily be overlooked.

    @paddyman98 Please take a second look and provide comments to support damage or error. Thanks Paddy.
     
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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    @Collecting Nut
    TED of UNITED is smashed. A double strike would produce a different effect. More like a Brockage.

    The incused (not upraised rim) is obvious.
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Ok but how do you explain the upside down letters on the rim?
     
  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The original rim which I had to enlarge to see.
     
  11. JPD3

    JPD3 Well-Known Member

    JMHO, but looks like it got pinched trying to feed it into a slot of a vending machine.
     
  12. William F

    William F Well-Known Member

    I'm going with @Collecting Nut on this one, I took the liberty of sharpening the original pic and drawing around the edges of the letters 'A' & 'T' (As in 'STATES') in red.
    Pareidolia? I'm not convinced that it is that, I think this is a legit error...
    321.jpg 32.jpg
     
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Thanks @William F I just can’t shake the feeling I have and what I see so I’m not convinced that this is damaged. It’s the rim on the (I’ll call it the) first strike.
    That’s for the overlay as I can’t do that at present. Your overlays make my case stronger as I see it.

    I can only state what I see and how I feel.
     
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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Also, I understand what Paddy is saying but I can’t help but feel this is an error. I may be wrong as I am human.
     
  15. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That letter A also looks to be.. Incused ;)
     
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  16. William F

    William F Well-Known Member

    I may be wrong as well and I'm willing to admit that but I can't just let something like this pass without questioning it... 99.9% of the time, it's obviously PMD but I can't go with the flow on this one as I'm just not sure...
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    All I can say is it appears to be raised to me. But I’ve gotten that wrong many times. The coin has not circulated enough to be worn and I see no sharp edges in that groove.
     
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  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I’m tired and my knee is aching so I’m heading to bed. It may look different in the morning. Lol
     
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  19. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    @Fred Weinberg ? Although I don't think it's a mint error (too many questions about it being double struck) It's refreshing to see things questioned and debated.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2021
  20. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Let's get @JCro57 into the action also :watching:
     
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  21. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Well it’s morning and to me it still looks like it did last night. I did remember one thing as I crawled into bed last night and that was based on this comment.

    When I took my drivers ed in 1970 I was 16. I passed and been at it ever since. I’ve driven almost everywhere in the US and across country over 15 times. The thing is in 1970 and in high school we were required to take some test prior to getting into the program. I was fine until I took the depth perception test. I almost failed it. To this day I still have problems with depth perception.

    On coins, that has become a problem with the incluse design. The circulating coins with an incluse design look raised to me in photos and sometimes in hand.
     
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