Class V doubled die on 1987-F Deutsche Mark

Another find from my world coin jar at the start of the pandemic. Doubled die reverse most visible on "BUNDESREPUBLIK"

 

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Sorry, that's strike doubling. This is a doubled die. Do you notice the difference?

 

@eddiespin Not strike doubling. There are very visible split serifs on basically all the letters. Really starting to wonder if some of the people on here actually look before commenting. I am not a newbie just because I'm new to this particular forum.

 

Don't get so defensive. Nobody said you're stupid, did they? Maybe I'm wrong about it. But it looks like it's chopping off the primary image. The underlying image looks to be borrowing from the primary image to form the underlying image. Take a look at how foreshortened the primary image is where it's butt-up against the secondary image. In a doubled die, the primary image is intact, it's not chopped off like that.

 

Not defensive, just trying to teach you something. Check the tips of the bars on the E. You should be able to see the split serifs very clearly there (or on most of the other letters with sharp serifs - the top and bottom of the K, tops of both U's and bottom of the second U, top and bottom of the N, etc.). Split serifs are the most reliable identifying marks for pretty much all doubled dies besides classes II, VI, and IX. I highly recommend looking for them first in the future rather than focusing on spread.

 

Nice find!!

Eddie - do you have photos of the full coin? Looks like Class IV on your coin.

 

The splitting doesn't cinch it. That's what you're not understanding.

 

In a minute...

 

What do you believe causes split serifs besides die doubling? Not really sure what you're suggesting. The only way to get split serifs on machine doubling is on incuse devices.

I could also point out the extra thickness to you, but without a deutsche mark to compare it to, that's not going to be a super useful thing to look at. You can take my word for it though that there is significant extra thickness on all the letters.

 

A skip or hop will do it. The movement isn't always a flat smear.

 

Okay, I'm tapping out. You're mistaken, but you're dug in.

 

I guess that ends that. Can we at least see the whole coin, both sides? I'll point out it's customary.

 

Looks like yours is a pivot mostly about 8-2 o'clock. Looks like the lower half is mostly unaffected around JUGASLOVIJA (maybe a little thickness). A little harder to see because of the shadow.

 

@eddiespin Yeah, I don't have those pictures available on my laptop, but they're on this website that a few forum members on a different coin forum are putting together for world die varieties. https://sites.google.com/view/wcdv/europe

 

I'm going to have to revisit my foreign CRH finds to see what I may or may not have.

 

Here's a picture of the composite that should expand for a better look on a click of it if I didn't screw this up...

 

I see the split serifs and think it has potential. Compare the letter thickness to a normal Dmark. The thickness of the top most image will be thinner if it's MD. Maybe some other will chime in for confirmation.

Don't forget, very few European collectors have interest in doubled dies.

 

Notching and split serifs looks good to me. I would like to see full photos of the coin. This seems to definitely follow the definition of a class V.

 

@Pickin and Grinin Full images of the coin can be found on this site - I submitted it to a world coin variety site that a few members of another forum were trying to start. Unfortunately, don't have photos of the full coin on my laptop right now, so giving you the link is the best I can do right now. You can also see another class V doubled die (not quite as nice as this one) that I submitted on a 1974-F 2 deutsche marks. https://sites.google.com/view/wcdv/europe

@Oldhoopster Yes, there is extra thickness on nearly all the letters pictured above. Don't have a normal deutsche mark for comparison, but I compared when I found the coin. (at least the ones positioned at an angle relative to the pivot point that would produce extra thickness). And yeah, I'm aware that these are of little interest to European collectors. I would never sell one of my finds unless it was a duplicate, so it's not of much concern to me.