Recognize this R.O.C. coin? - Got another small batch

I got another small batch of world coins. A couple are EF, one looks AU, and the rest are UNC. They are all nice but two of them have me puzzled.



#1
I think the coin top center is a 20 cent silver coin from the Republic of China (Taiwan not the PRC). However, I don’t find it listed in my catalogs. If anyone knows the country, KM#, date, and catalog value in UNC, I would appreciate the information.



#2
The Bolivia coin to the left of the China coin has all the traits of a proof manufacture but my KM catalog doesn’t list proof for the 1939 issue. If it is a business strike then I would grade it 66PL. Based upon just having the coin in hand (no catalog), then I would grade it PF66. What do you think?



I’ll post more individual photos of these coins with descriptions soon.

Very best regards,
collect89

 

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The ROC coin is dated Republic Year 18 (1929). The denomination is 2, but I don't recognize the old-style second character as either fen/cent or yuan/dollar. Also, the portrait doesn't look like any of Sun Yat Sen that I have seen on coins, although he's the closest match among those who might have their bust on a coin.

The vast majority of early ROC coins with busts were from the national government, and very few appear on provincial coins of the era. I've been unable to match your picture with any reported coin in my library, so I'm guessing its that very common Chinese product - a fantasy piece.

I'm assuming you have already IDed the Taisho 11 (1922) bronze sen and the Showa 32 or 33 (1957/58) silver ¥100 in your picture. The sen is one of the nicest I've seen from that time period.

I can't help you on the Bolivian piece - all I know about Bolivian coinage is what I've read in Krause!

 

Hello Hontonai,

Thank you very much for your hard work. We both researched it to be a 1929 (2 or 20 something) from the ROC but have found no match. I was blinded to the possibility that it could be a fantasy piece. It appears the size & weight of the 20 cent piece & it looks silver. It is funny how "fantasy piece" never entered my mind.

Here are some more photos. The Haiti coin looks AU and the Finland is UNC with nice toning that makes it look its age. I have not yet taken photos of the BU Japan coins.




Very best regards,
collect89

 

Here is a photo of the 1940 Mexico 5 Centavos. The coin in-hand is a little brighter than the photo indicates.



Thanks for letting me share.

 

I do not know the KM # but I can read Chinese. That is an 20 cent from kwang-tung province of ROC in 1929 (yr 18).

 

Thank you my friend!
It is a coin from Guangdong (Kwangtung in the KM catalog). The number in the KM catalog is Y426. The value in UNC is $5. The subject on the reverse is a bust of Sun Yat-sen. I would call this the obverse.

Sun Yat-sen helped overthrow the imperial dynasty in mainland china & then became the first provisional president in Taiwan. He is apparently one of the few leaders that is favored by both the mainland PRC and the island ROC. I learned a lot with this coin. There is much more to the life of Sun which you can view at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

Very best regards,
Collect89

 

<-------Lifetime winner at "The floating Casino" in Macau. Dr. Sun yat Sen's hometown. Traci

 

Hello Ripley,

What is "the floating casino"? Obviously, it's not the Lisboa casino in Macau.

One time I had a memorable few days in Macau & then walked over to ZhuHai to begin a road trip in the PRC. Both are great cities to visit.

Is Dr. Sun the one that said the best way to win a battle is by not having to fire a shot? I am confused because I thought it was pronounced "Suen" but I think it is the same guy.

Very best regards,
collect89

 

Floating Casino was a sinking barge located in old town. A small dump. I am also am a lifetime winner at the Oriental in Macau.... I loved the Ole place, to me it was like going back in time 60 years. Traci world gambler (Laos/Britain/Nevada)
No not Dr. Sun but Sun Tzu (Art of War)

 

Thanks!!
Acutally Yat-sen Sun was respected a lot in mainland China before. But not now.

 

collect89,
That is another Mr. Sun living two thousand years ago, who is one the most famous Strategist in China's history.

 

The Chinese character under the number two is "mao" for dime[or muplitples of 10]. The character used now is jiao (the more literary form) and "mao" is used more in spoken Chinese. I'm not familiar with this coin.

 

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The holed Greenland 25 Ore is a low-mintage coin (31K) and has a premium. Yours looks like a nice grade too! :thumb: Krause listings: F $20, VF $40, EF $75.

 

Thanks KurtS,

I got this piece from an old-time collector that lets me buy coins from his collection. The hole is punched in my coin & I believe that it is genuine. I inspected the hole & you can see where the male punch pushed the metal to a fracture point 1/2 way down the hole.

I am actually focusing on the coins of Greenland and nice ones can be tough to find. At the LA ANA show I think I asked every world coin dealer if they had coins from Greenland. They all claim to have some but then there are none found at their booths. I did buy one in LA but it was the only one I was offered at the entire show. There are some offered on the Internet I know.

 

There are some very desirable coins here that are rarely seen in unc.

 

I like your Brazilian 5,000 Reis. The Santos Dumont I finally added to my aviation collection. Traci :hug:

 

Here is my Bolivian 1939 piece, your's looks proofier then mine But like you I'm unsure if they even struck a proof that year.

 

re: Republic of China 1929 $.10 coin. Have found picture and info at www.kenelks.co.uk/chinese/chineserepublic.htm . Also have found use of character "mao" on Hong Kong $.10 coin for 1990 unlike currently used term "jiao" on PRC and previous post-1949 ROC (Taiwan) coins. Am seeing two versions of many coins of early ROC coinage: one with English on one side and one with only Chinese on both sides. Does "fantasy piece" mean that they are "manufactored" pieces and never existed in that form in circulated form? I have 7 coins that seem to fit this. Let me ask: if they have correct Chinese on one side (of some original coins) but obverse doesn't match in the English version (five provinces in Chinese--but all English on each coin only refers to Kwang-deng province--doesn't match any Chinese version). Also, if error in mintage, why did one person have all 7 coins in one booth? Not possible! Definite counterfeits--poor counterfeits. But do these qualify as "fantasy pieces"? They are the 1.44 yuan 1894 coins.

 

Hello Weifin,

It would always be nice to see photographs of your coins. In order for others to see your question & photos, perhaps you could start a new thread with your photographs. Basically, to determine if a coin is a fantasy piece, I just check for it in my Krause catalog. If I don't find it there & the guys here at CT don't recognize it, then it's probably a fantasy piece.