FB Mercury?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by jallengomez, Nov 17, 2009.

  1. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    As TH/Frank said the bottom weak middle not there so no full bans
     
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  3. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    How would you determine PL vs. regular shiny MS?
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Below is a list of the special designations and their requirements.

    BN = Brown
    95% or more of the coin is brown

    RB = Red Brown
    6% or more, but less than 94% of the coin is brown

    RD = Red
    95% of the coin is original mint red, 5% may be brown

    CA = Cameo
    Proofs and prooflike coins, that have frosted devices and lettering that contrast with the fields.

    UC = Ultra Cameo
    Proofs and prooflike coins, that have deeply frosted devices and lettering that contrast with the fields - often called “black and white” cameos.

    PL = Prooflike
    NGC - reflectivity at 2-4 inches
    PCGS - reflectivity at 2 inches

    DPL = Deep Prooflike
    NGC - reflectivity at 6-8 inches
    PCGS - reflectivity at 4-6inches

    FB = Full Split Bands
    NGC - all 3 horizontal bands on the fasces must have clear and distinct lines
    PCGS - the central band on the fasces must have clear and distinct lines

    FBL = Full Bell Lines
    NGC - both the upper & lower sets of bell lines must be clear, distinct and unbroken except at the crack
    PCGS - the lower set of bell lines must be clear, distinct and unbroken except tat the crack

    SP = Specimen

    FH = Full Head
    helmet of the head must have full details

    FT = Full Torch
    NGC - both upper and lower horizontal bands must have clear and distinct lines, the vertical lines must also be clear & disitinct
    PCGS - upper and lower bands must have clear & distinct lines

    5FS = Five Full Steps
    the lines of 5 steps must be clear, distinct and unbroken

    6FS = Six Full Steps
    the lines of 6 steps must be clear, distinct and unbroken
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    A regular MS would be silvery colored.


    The PL (Proof Like) would have a mirrored finish.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Actually I wanted to see the whole coin, not just the reverse. I wanted to see that because of the marks I could see in the blow-ups and I wante dto see if the coin would even grade. Given the reverse, I don't think it would as it looks harshly cleaned. And no, it is definitely not FB by the standards of NGC or PCGS.
     
  7. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Sounds logical. I always just thought it was due to the location. I would think most coins wear at the highest points first and/or in the middle. Your explanation would sort of clarify why so many of mine have the bottom and top bands so clear and the middle appearing worn on coins that are excessively new. Not just worn but made that way.
    As to the Merc in question. With over 159 million made, I would really not send that one in for slabbing. To many scratches and the middle bands really are poor. How's the obverse?
     
  8. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I was going to click the Clinker Award button for this post but there is no button to click. I guess the Clinker award button has gone the way of the buggy whip.
     
  9. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    GDJMSP-
    Thanks for that great info on standards. What does "reflectivity at 2 inches" mean?
    I'll post the obverse when I get home this afternoon. I swear I think my macro lens deeply magnifies things, because the coin does not look that bad even under a 30x loupe.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Wouldn't do any good even if it was still there. You see, I personally have never been eligible for TOTW or the Clinker Award and intentionally so. So you could not nominate one of my posts if you wanted to.
     
  11. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I hadn't even realized it had gone. How long has it not been there?
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It means that if you held a business card up in front of a coin at a distance of 2 inches that you could read what it says on the business card in the reflection you see on the coin. In other words, you are using the coin like a mirror and the greater the distance then the greater the degree of reflectivity - thus the designations.
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Couple weeks now I think.
     
  14. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Wow...just another example of Richie with his "head in the clouds" and not noticing the change. :D
     
  15. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    More great info. Thanks.
     
  16. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    just a side note on PL & DPL

    Hello Jallengomez,

    For a coin to be designated PL or DPL, the entire field on both sides of the coin must have the reflectivity. If there is an area without the reflectivity on either side of the coin, then it shouldn't get the PL or DPL designation.
     
  17. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    GDJMSP wanted to see the obverse, so here it is.

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  18. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    The coin may be FB, but will not see the inside of a graded PCGS or NGC holder do to the cleaning/damage, IMO.
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Confirms what the rev pic did - harshly cleaned.
     
  20. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    In hand the coin just does not look like this. I wonder if this is the result of viewing it at what would be the equivalent of 70x magnification or so since I'm shooting about 4" from the coin with a 70mm lens and macro adapter?
     
  21. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Regardless of the distance or type of magnification used, that coin has been cleaned with something that leaves those scratches. Minor for sure but they are there. This coin is OK for a collection to fill a hole for a common date coin and is really in great shape except for the wear, scratches and cleaning.
    Not really worth sending in for a grading and slabbing that would cost more than the coin.
     
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