Why is this not a PR70?

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  1. cplradar

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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not sure about the rim on the reverse by the E and D in ONE DOLLAR.

    The obverse has a small brown spot on the cheek. Also appears to be a very slight cut in the field to the right of the 4 in the date.
     
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  4. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    I see a little hit above the s on ike and possibly some damage around FG.
     
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  5. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC Supporter

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    this is what i see from the pic.
    anyways, it very well could be a PR70 coin. It does have wiggle room. Thats why resubmission, crossovers, etc exist.
     
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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    From looking at most photos, it's difficult for anyone to see any minute imperfection that could lower the grade.
     
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  7. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Plus what's on the plastic...or the coin...in holder photos.
     
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  8. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    Do you like the pictures?
     
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  9. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    Here's what I see;

    1974_S_PF69_IKE_r.jpg 1974_S_PF69_IKE.jpg
     
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  10. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    One of two reasons. Either under high magnification there are ANY marks and imperfections ( the close-ups) or the one reason few realize, PCGS and NGC only assign a perfect grade to coins still in their as issued holder/container.
     
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I think if you look at what I and other members have pointed out it's clear that as nice looking as this coin is, it's just not a 70. The 69 assigned is correct.
     
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  12. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    Pickee, Pickee. I like Ike. Great President and the coin is a great coin. My father left me about 7 Ikes and none are even an MS.
     
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  13. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    There is a milk spot on the Obv. at 9 oclock, and those few minute hits is all it takes.
     
  14. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    This is not accurate at all. Whether you submit it in a flip or the OGP has absolutely no baring on what grade they will give something other than if damage happened during travel.
     
  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I have coins still in their original holder/container, as issued, and they are not in the MS-67 range, let alone a 70. The coin is graded, not how it was issued or packaged.
     
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  16. Mike Thornton

    Mike Thornton Learning something new everyday.

    I see multiple contact marks and those could be the reason for the less than perfect grade. JMHO
     
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  17. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    With a proof mintage of 1,300,000, the odds are small that after only about a dozen PF70DCAM have been graded by PCGS, you will have the luck of ever getting one. The Mint just didn't have the technology in those days to strike such a large, perfect coin. Also, even if they had struck more perfect examples, their ability to handle, package, and transport them without some damage along the way, was slim. Then there's the task of the grading procedure, where even more damage can occur.
     
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  18. Mountain Man

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    Because the individuals grading the coin couldn't decide between a 68 and a 70, so they split the difference?
    I agree it is a magnificent example of the series and wonder what the other TPG might have to say about it.
     
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  19. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Exceptional coin, just not 70. 69 is correct, in my opinion. Thanks for posting it.
     
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  20. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Often, differences between an 69 & 70 can only be seen under 10x magnification (or greater).
     
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  21. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The trip from 69 to 70 is tough. I won't spend the money to play that game.
     
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