GTG: 1844 Seated Liberty half

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Guess the grade

  1. MS61

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  2. MS60

    2 vote(s)
    4.9%

  3. AU58

    16 vote(s)
    39.0%

  4. AU55

    12 vote(s)
    29.3%

  5. AU53

    5 vote(s)
    12.2%

  6. AU50

    2 vote(s)
    4.9%

  7. XF45

    1 vote(s)
    2.4%

  8. XF40

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  9. VF35

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  10. Details (explain why you think so)

    3 vote(s)
    7.3%
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  1. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    I felt pretty sure it wasn't a 58. I voted 55, but 53 is reasonable. Bottom line, it's a lovely coin and I wish it were mine!
     
    Maxfli, Mar 31, 2021
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  3. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    That’s in an old ANACS slab. Wonder what it would grade as now.
     
    Santinidollar, Mar 31, 2021
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  4. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    The 7 digit serial number on the slab would indicate that the coin was graded not long before the blue ANACS slabs came out. I wouldn’t bet on the overall grading at that time being conservative. This particular coin does look nicer than a 53. The only question is, would PCGS or NGC grade it details today?
     
    KSorbo, Mar 31, 2021
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  5. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    You so witty and cute. Your a Cointalk breath of fresh air
     
    Cheech9712, Apr 1, 2021
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  6. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Good job. I think others were avoiding your honest opinion
     
    Cheech9712, Apr 1, 2021
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  7. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Another honest answer
     
    Cheech9712, Apr 1, 2021
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  8. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Q-tip scratches
     
    Cheech9712, Apr 1, 2021
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  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    What did the coin grade?
     
    ldhair, Apr 1, 2021
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  10. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    53
     
    Santinidollar, Apr 1, 2021
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    In this case, yes. It is clearly an AU coin and not MS. But Choice AU, I think.

    I have thought about attempting to cross it to PCGS, and do think it would deserve a bump up to 55 or 58 by today’s standards, perhaps, but on the other hand, those who brought up the possibility of it receiving a “details” grade for old cleaning may have a good point.

    Since it’s acceptable to me as-is, I may just keep it in the old ANACS slab. Regardless of the technicalities of the numerical grade and the issue of details versus straight grade, I like the eye appeal of the coin overall.
     
    lordmarcovan, Apr 2, 2021
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  12. BJBII

    BJBII Metrologist, CSSBB

    I think this is a beautiful coin. My guess of MS60 was bolstered by how much I like it.
     
    BJBII, Apr 2, 2021
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Coin is in hand now and even nicer in person. There's some trace luster not seen in the photos here.
     
    lordmarcovan, Apr 11, 2021
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  15. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com Supporter

    I'm going to guess AU-58. I see some marks on the fields but nothing not in line with circulation. Note that this isn't a ms-63: a few circulation marks in the fields are acceptable.
     
    Gallienus, Apr 11, 2021
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I (subtly) posted the answer earlier, beneath a spoiler button.

    I think it's pretty conservatively graded in the old ANACS slab, but I'll probably leave it there. Dunno. Then again, I might attempt a crossover at PCGS, but given the uncertainty of that, I'd have to consider whether the corresponding increase in value of a 2-5-point upgrade (IF that even happened) would be worth the expense and hassle involved. Really, I reckon it's fine as-is, though this is now the only ANACS coin in my otherwise all-PCGS/NGC collection, and the small holder will rattle around a bit inside my slab album page, unless I devise some kind of padded insert to prevent that.

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    lordmarcovan, Apr 11, 2021
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  17. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com Supporter

    So now that we know the grade of a decades old ANACS holder, the real question is "what did it cost"? Unless there's undisclosed damage, there's no way that this coin would grade as low as that TODAY in a PCGS/NGC holder.

    Was the price commensurate with today's easier grades?

    I'm curious because I'm bidding on a couple of seated halves presently. I'll post them if I get any.
     
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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    $270 delivered. Which, as I recall, is in the right ballpark vis-a-vis Greysheet, and a pretty darn good price vis-a-vis PCGS/NGC/Numismedia retail trend prices, if I remember correctly.
     
    lordmarcovan, Apr 11, 2021
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  19. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I agree. It is not an MS coin, because of minor wear. The scratches in the fields appear to be minor wear, and striations, not cleaning marks. It is high AU in my opinion. I would have graded it AU 58. Like 90% of seated coinage, it was previously dipped, but unless it is excessive, that is not an issue. I like the coin a lot.
     
    Morgandude11, Apr 11, 2021
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  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  21. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Lol
     
    Cheech9712, May 9, 2023
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