Smith's Clock Establishment. HT-314

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  1. Hoky77

    Hoky77 Well-Known Member

    New York 1837 Smith's Clock Establishment HT-314, Low-135, W-NY-940-20a. Rarity-2.

    I have a couple Hard Times Tokens and a few Civil War Tokens just because, so I don't know that much about them. I was perusing some online shops today and I ran across this token. I don't know why but I really wanted it. I did a quick price check on eBay and I didn't find any listed. The price was in line with some of the more common varieties so I pulled the trigger. I really need to purchase a good token guide (suggestions appreciated) because it took a couple of hours online to find out what I bought and apparently it is quite scarce in better grades. It won't be in my mailbox for a couple weeks so all I have are the sellers pics.

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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Neato!

    So that "Time Is Money" motif actually does date back to the Hard Times era, then!

    I wasn't sure, because my Peacock token with that reverse was struck much later than the "1837" on it (circa 1902). But yours looks like a proper early 19th century piece.

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    I want your holey 1877 IHC avatar, BTW. I just recently started a holed date set of Indian cents. Pinning 'em on my cork board. ;)

    (I'll probably just drill a replica piece for that date and call it done, though that's the only year I'd so "cheat" on.)
     
  4. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    Very nice token. Your token made me realize something. I thought that positioning the hands of the clock at around 10:10 to 10:13 was a pretty modern day advertising thing. I read somewhere that by doing so, the hands of the watch or clock look "balanced" and pleasing to the eye. But I guess it's not a modern day thing. Your token is dated 1837. Wow.
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Mine is too, but was actually struck much later (ca. 1902, as mentioned). But I think his probably is from 1837, or thereabouts. Which is what most Hard Times Tokens were dated.
     
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  6. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    I need to Google what "Hard Times Tokens" are all about. I think I read about them once in The Numismatist but it didn't stick.
     
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Wikipedia has a very brief overview.
     
  8. Hoky77

    Hoky77 Well-Known Member

    I have a small line waiting for my 77. Most of my IHC set is XF/AU and this is the only way I could afford to fill that hole in that grade. I got it from a European seller who had it listed under good pricing and I was lucky that I found it first.
     
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  9. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    I think that token is very cool! I love the clock face, and the 7½ in the address.

    Enjoy it!
     
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  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Love it! Now I want one.
     
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  11. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    If you can find a copy of the catalog for the Dice-Hicks sale at Stacks in 2008, that is an excellent reference for the HTT's. Bowers wrote a book on them, I believe. As to pricing, you pretty much have to go with APR's from S-B, Heritage, Steve Hayden etc.
    That's a nice token with a timeless motif!
     
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  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I bought this one about 40 years ago. nothing special. I just loved the clock.
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