Caesar elephant

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  1. Etcherman

    Etcherman Well-Known Member

    A question about this coin in an upcoming Great Collections auction: how does the fact that it’s overstruck affect its value? Thanks for your expertise in advance.

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  3. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Given the history of that excact coin type, it would increase the value for me.
    Others may think the opposite:)
     
  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    While an overstrike adds interest and value to many coins I would not want to own this particular coin with an overstrik because I've heard that folks are taking genuine ancients and striking them with false dies so they will stand up to any tests of their composition. I am not commenting on the authenticity of this piece in any way. Just stating my preference.
     
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  5. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    An overstrike may add interest and value to this coin if it is actually an overstrike, as I am unaware of any examples of the type actually overstruck. Do you have a picture of the reverse? The obverse doesn't look overstruck at all.
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Upcoming Auction? I am bidding it up!
     
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  7. Etcherman

    Etcherman Well-Known Member

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    Here’s the reverse.
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I might sit it out, already have one... Not in a silly plastic tomb, either.

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    RR Julius Caesar AR Denarius 49 BCE Traveling Mint Elephant trampling snake-Pontificates Sear 1399 Craw 443-1
     
  9. Etcherman

    Etcherman Well-Known Member

    This device opens silly plastic tombs.

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  10. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Many, including myself, find overstruck coins very interesting. They can drive you crazy trying to figure out the under type. On the other hand, some are pretty easy.

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  11. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I wouldn't really consider this an overstrike, just a double strike. I suspect this is what the OP coin is as well. An overstrike would be the Caesar type struck over some different type.
     
  12. Etcherman

    Etcherman Well-Known Member

    NGC thinks the coin is overstruck
     
  13. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    Overstrikes can tell you relative chronology. In the study of NewStyles the Aesillas overstrike on a rare late post-Sullan was lynchpin in the high vs low chronology. When you haven't a fixed point that is the problem. Bauslaugh's Aesillias study showed that those coins were a fixed type that were issued as and when needed over about 30 years c 95-65 BC and now supports the now generally recognised NewStyle low chronology. A recent Thasos over Griffin NewStyle was thus very helpful in re-dating some Thasos imitatives.
     
  14. Etcherman

    Etcherman Well-Known Member

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    Here she is (still imprisoned in her plastic tomb).
    Beautiful.
     
  15. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Coingrats! Does this mean you won it?
    Here is mine with a similar banker's mark:
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  16. Etcherman

    Etcherman Well-Known Member

    Yes I won it!
     
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  17. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    Congrats on the win, I’m not too concerned about banker marks as long as they’re not in some critical area so yours is just fine.
     
  18. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Congrats !

    Q
     
  19. Etcherman

    Etcherman Well-Known Member

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  21. Libby007

    Libby007 Active Member

    "Imprisoned"??? - Why not, "Here she is (still nested within her protective environment). Much less offensive to her ... I'm sure. And, yes - Beautiful she is.
     
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