Nine Classic Gold Coins for Your Assessment $2.5 $5 $10

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  1. Ike Skywalker

    Ike Skywalker Well-Known Member

    My Dad divided his coin collection between my brother and I in 2011, but he couldn't locate a certain group of classic gold coins at the time. Over the past 10 years, he came to the conclusion that they were just lost. Fortunately, he found them just the other day in his safe. They were in a very small box, buried under other stuff. He doesn't remember them being in a box, but there they were. He purchased them in the 1970s. I would like your opinions on these mainly in regards to original vs. cleaned surfaces. I know a cleaned silver coin when I see it, but gold is another matter for me. I'm pretty certain that the 1893 $10 eagle has been cleaned as well as the 1881 #3 coin. I have included the weight for each coin in grams. I appreciate any feedback on these. Thanks!

    ALSO: Is the S mintmark on the 1901-S an RPM? S/S?

    1893 $10 Gold - 16.71 grams
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    1925-? $2.5 Quarter Gold Eagle - 7.28 grams with bezel
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    1901-S $5 Gold Half Eagle - 8.34 grams
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    1880 $5 half eagle - 8.34 grams
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    1881 $5 Gold Half Eagle #1 - 8.35 grams
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  3. Ike Skywalker

    Ike Skywalker Well-Known Member

    1881 $5 Gold Half Eagle #2 - 8.34 grams
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    1881 $5 Gold Half Eagle #3 - 8.35 grams

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    1881 $5 Gold Half Eagle #4 - 8.35 grams
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    1881 $5 Gold Half Eagle #5 - 8.36 grams
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The MM position looks right. I just don't have enough information or photos on the variety to make the call. As an arm chair QB I am leaning towards yes.
     
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  5. Ike Skywalker

    Ike Skywalker Well-Known Member

    Here are the coins in their original flips.

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  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am also seeing a bunch of coins sold that have die chips in and around the MM. This is common on S MM coins. So technically I don't know.
     
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  7. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yes, I think you're right on the 1901, S over S, great find. I could be wrong but I think they've all been cleaned except the 1925 Gold Indian. Is the Gold Indian in a 14k bezel and chain? Just wondering, many collectors don't like coin jewelry but I like all gold coins even in a bezel. :D
     
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  8. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Looks like some good 7070 stuff.
     
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    #1. The 1893 $10 gold has been cleaned. It has AU sharpness, but the fields have been rubbed.

    #2. The 1925-D (They were all made at Denver in 1925) looks okay, but there may be damage from the bezel.

    #3. 1901-S $5 gold might grade. The color is off, but that might be from the photo.

    #4. The 1880 $5 gold has been cleaned, like the #1 coin was.

    #5. The 1881 $5 gold has been lightly cleaned, probably too much to get a straight grade.

    #6 though #9 Same comment as the previous piece.

    The value of these coins is in the bullion. There is not much numismatic value here.
     
  10. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Cleaned
    Not cleaned, scratches at 5:30 on the obverse
    S/S, not cleaned
    Not
    Not
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    Not
    Not
     
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  11. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    JM and TC, you guys differ on a few coins.

    Can you tell us how you can tell which coins were cleaned and from what on the photos ? Are we looking for cleaning abrasion lines ?
     
  12. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    They all looked cleaned to me, except for the 1925-D Indian, which is likely damaged...??? Even if some were only lightly cleaned, they don’t have much value beyond bullion in lower grades. So basically what John said :)
     
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  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The fields are bright from intentional rubbing while the protected areas around the letters and devices are duller and frosted. So far as what they used, it could have been anything from a cloth to a pencil eraser.
     
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  14. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Those flips look soft. I would lose them and put them in something safe.
     
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  15. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Some coins exhibit a halo of more intense luster in the peripheral fields than others. While I have not seen a definitive explanation, I personally believe it to be attributable to excessive basining and / or improper hardening of the dies.

    Cause aside, I know from experience that this halo effect is a common trait of many 1881 half eagles. On all of the 1881 half eagles above the luster rings the coin uniformly, exposing true wear on the stars, date and characters of the legends, and abruptly and consistently disappears from the fields in the photos and, rather than being evidence of cleaning, is evidence to the contrary.
     
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  16. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    You can buy the coins that look like that; I am not going to do it. Some gold pieces develop a haze after a while that covers the whole coin. It probably has something to with the environment in which they are stored. The 1925-D quarter eagle in the bezel has it. It makes the coin look dull and for some people, undesirable.

    As much as we might not like it, shine sells to some people. That's why you see so many coins, silver, copper and gold, frequency in that order, that are dipped. Using friction is the quick, and easy way to shine up coins.

    I don't think that that 1925-D quarter eagle looked like that when it was struck. I have a couple pieces in my collection, one a slightly circulated piece, and the other an certified MS-65. These pieces have the "haze free" surface.

    A "slider"

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    A certified MS-65

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  17. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Cleaned, not cleaned, who cares. It's gold, gee-whiz. They are gorgeous and valuable, your father is very conscientious to have shared them equally with you and your brother.
     
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  18. Chris Winkler

    Chris Winkler Well-Known Member

    Lucky bastard, all my pappy left me was a cheap watch!
     
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  19. Ike Skywalker

    Ike Skywalker Well-Known Member

    Oh, I did. ;)

    Thanks for all the replies so far. :D
     
  20. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am not sure why I didn't look at the CPG. Here is the S/S
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  21. Ike Skywalker

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