Red Book Professional Edition Review

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kaparthy, Nov 2, 2009.

  1. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    The Official Red Book: A Guide Book of United States Coins Professional Edition by R. S. Yeoman and Kenneth Bressett (Senior Editor), Jeff Garrett (Valuations Editor), and Q. David Bowers (Research Editor).

    I expect that this is the book that a dealer would take to an auction at an ANA, Long Beach or Baltimore convention. The cover price is $29.95 and if you buy and sell a wide populatton of US Type coins in the ranges of hundreds to thousands of dollars, then this book would be cheap at twice the price.

    Consider that it is the "dealer's dilemma" that collectors are specialists whereas dealers are forced to be generalists. So, the collector cherrypicks the dealer. This book can help the dealer. Specialists already will have the books listed in each of the many bibilographies. Specialists will have all of that information and more in their heads. The specialist will know which items have appeared recently at major auctions.

    For each issue from Half Cents to Double Eagles, you will find tables of dollar values for the high-end market grades, typically Mint State and Proof, though down to VF and EF for early copper, as needed, and therefore DMPLs for Morgans, too. Moreover, each table has a column for direct citations to recent auctions. Furthermore, the tables approximate the certified populations, including the percentage of those certified that are in Mint State.

    Extensive color photographs illustrate the differences among important varieties, such as Small Date from Large Date, and so on.Important varieties also receive special treatments with paragraphs in standardized formats to give an overview of History, Strike and Sharpness, and Availability on the market. The book is replete with these throughout.

    Not in here are Colonials, Tokens, Pioneer Gold, Modern Commemoratives and US Mint Bullion. Perhaps least permanent is the information at the back about recent Chinese (and other) counterfeits. Again, specialist collectors will seldom be fooled. It is the dealer who risks being taken advantage of.
     
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  3. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    So, is it worth picking up or not? Whitman doesn't give much in the way of a description, so I've been waiting for someone to buy it and say one way or another.
    Guy~
     
  4. TheBigH

    TheBigH Senior Member

    Does it give prices for all the MS grades, or just like 61, 63 and 65 like the regular Red Book?
     
  5. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    It depends on the coin and its markets.

    For Half Dollars 1807-1836
    AU-50, AU-55, MS-60, MS-62, MS-63, MS-64, MS-65.

    But for Morgan Dollars
    MS-63, MS-64, MS-65, MS-66 and then
    DMPL MS-63, DMPL MS-64 and DMPL MS-65.

    Yet for Liberty Double Eagles,
    only Proof grades are listed,
    PF-60, PF-63, PF-64, PF-65.

    And so on, for each Type and Series, only the important market grades are given.

    The book was carefully designed to meet the needs of professional numismatists who buy and sell US Federal coins that sell for hundreds to thousands of dollars, depending on rarity and demand.
     
  6. TheBigH

    TheBigH Senior Member

    Thank you for the response.
     
  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Thanks for posting, I forgot to order one.
     
  8. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    Shame on you!! :smile
     
  9. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    I don't believe you can't afford not to purchase one, from a "Collectors" perspective.
     
  10. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    As a Red Book collector I'll probably purchase one of those. Put it on a shelf in a bookcase, unopened as almost all of mine are. So far as long as I've been going to coin shows, I've only seen once a person carrying a Red Book. Never anyone carrying a Blue one. That is from 2 to 4 coin shows a Month for many, many, many years. I also frequent all the local coin stores and there too have never seen anyone with a Red Book except it they were buying one.
    Regardless of which type or edition you purchase, it is just a sign to dealers that you are a beginner, confused or something like that. I haven't seen this one yet and as I said will probably buy it for my Red Book collection but I doubt it will get opened and never go to a coin show.
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Carl:
    Agreed, not for use at most shows, but I have often asked a dealer to borrow one, (a Red Book) to check mintages.

    And, yes, I'll order one and keep it in mint condition.
     
  12. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Hey, maybe the TPG's will get in on this and start encapsulating numismatic books! Wonder what an MS 69 Red Book is bringing these days :p
    Guy~
     
  13. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    like anything else, it depends on the date!

    ;)
     
  14. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    I don't know if the Red Book still has this information or not, but a few years ago, in the back of the book they had a price guide for previous Red Books, broken down in a table by year and condition.
     
  15. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    yes, it is still there, and updated every year with all new editions, special editions.

    In addition, last year's edition included a new section on the Blue Book, and values for early editions.
     
  16. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    I ordered one, I actually think the Red Book is "underrated" by

    I ordered one, I actually think the Red Book is "underrated" by many who think they may know too much or by the old standby you can't use it for pricing.
    Well yes, you cannot use it for up to date prices but for an overall view of numismatics there is no better book. I reach for it several times during each show to help new persons or to check a fact or figure that I forgot.
    I think many seasoned coin collectors and dealers could benifit greatly from a read or re-read of this book. It's surprising just how much information is in there.
     
  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    bjp:
    I HAVE to agree!

    :thumb:
     
  18. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    You know what amazes me. I have read a lot of threads about coin shows, where people say, don't take a redbook, it make you look like an amature, then the very next thread they say, the first thing you neeed if you collect is a redbook. I'm confused.
    I always take a redbook to coin shows. I dodn't have a photographic memory and need help with mintages and varieties. I see no shame in carrying a redbook. I don't use it for prices, I use it for knowledge.
     
  19. grizz

    grizz numismatist

    ......you can take a red book anywhere you go. just don't let anyone see you reading it!
     
  20. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    It is the best easy reference there is, but, sometimes dealers may think that you are checking prices, and up their selling price.
    Use it and then ask what 'bid' is on the piece. So you woun't look like a tourist.

    Cute!
     
  21. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I have to agree. I've taken one to coin shows quite a bit and it's proved a valuable asset to have in those situations. I also carry a greysheet so I don't get taken. I could care less if some collectors stick their nose in the air and call it amaturish. I'm not there to impress anyone...I'm there to have fun and enjoy the hobby.
    Guy~
     
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