Russian "whopper coppers" (5-kopek pieces): huge, fun coins from the 1700s that won't break the bank

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by lordmarcovan, Mar 20, 2021.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I have always liked these big, impressive coppers since I encountered some in a "$20 pick bin" bowl at one of the FUN shows in the early 2000s. They can still sometimes be found in that price range, or even less, if you're lucky, though the nicer ones can of course be a bit more expensive than that.

    The strikes are crude and quirky, and the quality of the flans varies, but I say they're good, relatively inexpensive fun. And they're impressive to non-collectors as well, for their size and heft and 1700s dates. Kids love ‘em!

    The Russian Imperial double-headed eagle on them is quite handsome.

    I'm posting this thread mostly just to upload images of some of the more recent ones I've acquired, but by all means, post yours too.
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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  6. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    You really know how to hurt a fella, at least one that loves colonial era copper.... lol I know I gonna end up adding a few of these to my "colonials" even though they don't really fit in... the dates and material yes.. I'll just atribute them to early russian immagrents... Sweet coins Lord
    PS yes I know I mangled the spelling... deal with it.. you know what i meant :D
     
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  7. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Well-Known Member

    These are great hunks of copper, LordM. I'm fascinated by them also and have been picking them up for the last couple of decades. I guess I have a tie to the coinage as all 4 of my grandparents and several of my uncles were born in Russia. The families originally immigrated to Russia from the German-speaking states under an inducement by Catherine the Great early in her reign.

    As a side note, I can't at the moment think of another historical female ruler who earned the title of "the Great."
     
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  8. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    Yup yup... LordMarcovan finaly won... I have resisted all the other wonderful coins he as posted on his "available" lists... Couldn't resist this one.. that 82 is on it's way to me in the near future. Thank You for a new addiction lol
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    While the 1771 is higher grade, that 1782 has the nicest surfaces, I think- of all the half dozen or so I bought last fall. (Three of which aren't seen here. @Paddy54 and @furryfrog02's son also ended up with one.)
     
  10. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Wow man those are huge might consider getting one or so.
     
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  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Those are magnificent! Have you any idea why the first ones are black? I find them really striking in that color.
     
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  12. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    Also wanting to bring up this is the 1st coin I've ever seen with a knurled edge.. or would that be inverse knurling?
     
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  13. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The colors range from reddish to chocolate brown to blackish. I agree, the dark color is kind of nice.
    Numista calls that a "reticulated" edge. A netlike pattern, in other words. (I note that the Roman gladiators who fought with nets were called retiarii.)
     
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  15. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Seems to me the more circulated they are the lighter in color they get. Is this true?
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Maybe, but not necessarily. I've seen a variety of patinas on them in lots of different grades. Just like you might see on smaller copper coins.

    (I was about to say "just like you see on Lincoln cents", but the US small cents of 1864-1982 were bronze, for the most part, whereas I would imagine these huge Russian coins are of a purer copper composition.)
     
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  17. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    Well here's a good example for you... just grabbed a few off ebay cheap cheap :D 4 dates.. 65, 84, 85 and 87.. 4 different colors/shades... though I still think the 82 I getting from LordM the nicest of the lots even if the 85 much sharper... Note: not trying to steal the thread LordM asked me to post em :D 5kop.jpg 5kopr.jpg
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yes, I suggested he post those, as they show some of the different colors. Nice lot! (He got a steal on 'em, too, in my opinion.) I never thought about collecting these by date, but that could be fun, and if you had them all laid out in Abafil trays or something similar, it would be an impressive collection!
     
  19. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Mine are in lower grades but are all diff dates and mints. (quarter for scale)

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  20. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Our big chunky ex @lordmarcovan 5 Kopek has been a hit in our household. It was almost immediately snatched up and added to the FFIVN favorite coins horde on his nightstand. He is already asking if we can get more...
    I will add my picture when I get home from work this afternoon.
     
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  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Now there’s a proper looking hoard!
     
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