Toning?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by jallengomez, Oct 24, 2009.

  1. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I've got a few coins in a Dansco type album and the silvers seem to be experiencing this. Is this just the beginning stages of toning?

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  3. HULL COINS

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    I wouldn't encourage it because it looks like you started out with a blast white.
     
  4. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I'm not hosting a pep-rally for whatever is going on. I'm asking what it is, can it be stopped or reversed, or should it be stopped. I didn't start out with anything. I wasn't even alive when this was put in an album.
     
  5. HULL COINS

    HULL COINS Member

    oh I have coins that went through this and ended up beautiful but it is not worth reversing.
     
  6. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Is it the beginning stages of toning?
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, that is advanced toning, well advanced. If it is allowed to continue the coin will just get darker and darker over time. It will not develop color and will more than likely just turn black.

    What you need to do is remove the coin, or coins, from the albums and place them in good quality, individual holders. Then they need to be stored properly to halt any additional toning.
     
  8. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Thanks. I figured at some point you would jump in here with the answer. Is a Mylar flip suitable enough?
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, that depends. Flips are OK, but they have their drawbacks as well. The ocin can move around inside them, this creates rub over time. Flips can also scratch and hairline coins when you out them into the flip and take them out of the flip, especially the good ones because they aren't soft like the PVC flips.

    There really is only one good answer for coin storage in my opinion. And that is for each coin to be placed in its own individual quality holder. The cheapest route for that is Air-Tites. And then store them properly.

    Now a lot of folks say Air-Tites are too expensive. Well I disagree. The most expensive size there is can be bought for less than 40 cents each. Are your coins worth 40 cents, or less, each to be able to store them properly ?

    Mine always were. But you have to decide that.
     
  10. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Thanks. I'll take your advice on that. This is a '53 P D S mint set, so I think they're definitely worth .40 apiece.
     
  11. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    I suspect there is something that should be looked into by you. As a general rule coins in Albums don't normally get that bad unless there is something in the area present to create this effect. I've had coins in Albums for many, many years, Many for as long as there have been Albums. All my Albums are in Zip Lock plastic bags. Very little to no air gets to those coins. From your photos I would venture to guess you have some really high humidity and or lots of something else present in the area where those are stored.
    Dansco is a rather decent Album and most collectors that use them do not have that problem. To change to air tights and other similar products are rather time consuming and expensive.
    Don't know where you got your Album from and if anyone ever changed the plastic slides in there.
    My suggestions are as follows: To play safe put coins into a new Album. Or find a dealer that sells the slides and change all of yours. Or Assume nothing is wrong with your Album and simply place you Albums in Zip Lock Plastic Bags. The Gallon sizes are the ones I use. Push out as much air as possibly and seal. They are easy to open if and when you want. I presently have over 100 Whitman Albums all in those Zip Lock bags and no, absolutely NO problems.
     
  12. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Carl,

    These came from a retired banker. I'm not sure if he stored them in his sauna or not ;) As for me, my house is relatively low humidity, but I've only had them a short time, and this was already present when I got them. Seems the dimes and quarters are affected the most. The Franklins aren't bad, no toning at all on the cents, and the nickels actually have some light but attractive toning. The album page says, "Wayte Raymond Pubns.. A. W. Faxom." Is that a completely different beast from Dansco?
     
  13. jello

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  14. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Jello-

    Thanks for those links! Lots of neat stuff for me to look at there.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    You betcha it is. Lots of folks buy those old albums precisely because they are known to cause the coins stored in them to tone.
     
  16. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    So does that mean I should leave them in the album?
     
  17. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I wouldn't, IMHO the toning has reached an advanced stage and from here they will only turn darker and ugly. They need to be removed. As was already said, individual holders are the way to go...but if you want the best you will need to pay more than 40¢ per holder. The best holders to halt toning are Intercept Shield holders and they are about $4.00 for a pack of 3.

    Here is a link to their page: http://www.interceptshield.com/holders.html

    These are the best out there.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, I was merely pointing that the kind of album you have, the Waite Raymond albums, are very well known for causing coins to tone. Some people will even pay a premium price just to get those almums because they want to tone their coins.

    That said, there never is any guarantee how that toning will turn out. It may make the coins colorlful. But more often than not, they make the coins tone like this one of yours. And as I said, if it is allowed to continue it will eventually turn black.
     
  19. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®



    I agree! but some coins will tone no matter what how well you protect them.old book may help.but it is like rolling dice sometime u win and sometime u loses.
     
  20. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Sometimes it is hard to stop toning, but it is possible to stop or prevent it with proper storage.
     
  21. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    This what I learned over 42 years I been collecting coin.there some coin that will tone or not tone no matter what condition there kept in,I think each coin has its own type DNA. thats my 2cents
     
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