1986 Lincoln Error and 2008 Curiosity

The first coin is a 1986 and I was wondering if this is a broadstrike. The second coin I posted I know is PMD, but I see this exact same circular damage on so many that I know there must be a common source. Roller/crimpler damage perhaps?

 

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From rolling machines.

From rolling machines.

 

Example 1: extreme die deterioration (as seen on clad Lincolns)
Example 2: counting machine (roller) mark damage

 

Thanks. Just wanted to put it to rest, because everytime I see one I wonder what exactly caused it.

 

Thanks. As for Example 1, is that sort of extremem deterioration considered an error or collectable?

 

Not that I am aware of.

BTW a broadstruck coin will have a greater outside dimension than a normal coin

 

The first coin is die deterioration and the second coin is post mint damage from a rolling machine
Bill Somers

 

Hey statehood, what part of Texas you from?

 

I hail from Forth Worth Texas born and raised there were are you from may i ask?
Bill Somers

 

Born and raised in beautiful Washington.

 

Do you live there now?

 

Where do you live Rockdude it says California on your Avatar and then you said Washington wow that's weird.
Paul Punicater opps there it is

 

looks like a servere case of die deterioration that's what it looks like.
BIG BEN

 

yup.