It came.. 1921-D Walking Liberty w/ Pics

I promise I will gracefully accept all criticisms and perceived "low-ball grades".

Here are the pics, it's a gorgeous coin in my eyes.

1921-d Bought off Ebay GSC @ $360 OBV


1921-d Bought off Ebay GSC @ $360 REV

 

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I like that coin, too. It is a nicely well worn Walker with no heavy hits or problems, that I can see. IMO it's a VG8. While I don't have very many Walkers I love the design, and getting the Keys to the series first is a great way to go.

Bruce

 

Thanks Bruce, VG08 I'll take. I think it's a VG too just from all the other VG's I've seen.

 

Which one would you prefer - this one or yours? Personally, I think this one has both better rims and better details. By you analysis, that should make this a VG-10 or better. I will show you the slab later.

 

I prefer the one you just showed me but, I can't find one for grey sheet prices that are currently going for sale now.

 

IMO it is VG-9 BNB. I gave it the bump upwards a point only because of the date and originallity.

 

Thank you.

What's BBN stand for?

 

Sorry, but that one is a G6. It sold for $299 9/13/09. http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1129&Lot_No=8189

Had you bought this one, you would have, by your own admission, a better coin for less money and this one is certified.

 

I can't figure out how this low grade example of a '34-S Walker ever graded VF20 (was included in a lot of VG halves I won on eBay about a year ago at slightly under melt)... so BNB's might just be a VG8... or maybe a G6... or maybe a VF20...

 

I was going to say VG at best as my first guess. But according to the ANA 6th edition, it is a 'G'. It appears the rim blends in by the sun and both sides on the reverse.

ANA's definition of a G-4:

Obverse: Entire design is well worn, with very little detail remaining. Legend and date are weak but visible. Top of date may be worn flat. Rim is flat but nearly complete.

Reverse: Eagle is worn nearly flat but is completely outlined. Lettering and motto are worn but clearly visible.


In VG-8, the ANA standard says the rim needs to be complete on both sides and the eye of the eagle should be visible. Since the crease by the eye shows up on their pic of the G, I would say that crease on yours is not the eye and the eye is not visible.

Honestly, I think if you sent it in you would be extremely lucky if they gave it a VG.
A good grading lesson for us all.

 

that's a darn nice photo, whatever the grade of the coin is!!

 

Vess - I understand the ANA grading indicators, but when do the major TPGs follow them? He may get a better grade if submitted than what the ANA standards suggest.

 

Who knows, I don't even know if it's worth sending in. We'll see.

 

And now that BNB has posted these nice close up shots, is anyone else thinking this coin may be cleaned?? The diagonal lines on the eagle's breast and up through the wing on the reverse concern me a little bit.

 

I do not have Doug's eye, but those lines on the eagle look more like the result of an album sleeve than cleaning to me.

 

I'm sure it's possible. That's why I said he would be lucky if they did grade it a VG. But if you were betting money on it, which way would you pick them to go?

Check out RLM's half there in the NGC slab. It would appear to me they graded that almost stricter than the ANA standards!
I'm not trying to belittle the OP's coin. It's certainly a nice rarity, but look at the rims on both sides of RLM's compared to BNB's. RLM's has full rims to me, which is supposed to be a VG characteristic. This one does not. BNB's has more wear on the flag. The wear at the top of the date appears to be equal on both.

Will anyone here say they themselves would pay VG money for this example? Because that's the determining factor. A little different than throwing out random opinions on the forum. Are people looking at it as discriminating buyers or as forum buddies?

I'm not giving a criticism or a low ball grade. I'm going by what the book tells me and basing it off of RLM's, which was very helpful.

It would appear to me that we've done more analysis of it than the buyer. I would have thought BNB would have more to say concerning the grade and why it is that grade. Just seems strange to be hashing out the grade after it's already been purchased with no feedback from the actual buyer.

 

Just to show I was not hand picking them, the last one I posted was the last to sell on Heritage. Here are the next 2 G-6's. http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1129&Lot_No=8190 and http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1122&Lot_No=8463

 

I'm going to stick with G6 on this coin...because of the rims like before. Now, that said...a TPG might call this a a VG because the rims are mostly complete and it's a key date. Plus, they have their own standards which differ a little from the ANA. However, with the ANA grading standards this coin is a G6.

 

If my opinion means anything on the matter I believe that the lines are not properly oriented to be album slide marks. The coin would have had to be stored in the album at an odd angle for the slide marks to be oriented in this direction.

As for grade, I say the same thing that I did originally. The coin lacks the detail necessary for VG. The rim is incomplete on the reverse. It is complete on the obverse, but not the reverse. The eagle also doesn't show enough detail. I restate my grade of G-6.

As far as RLMs pic of the G-6, I would buy that for G-6 money in a heartbeat! It has the most complete rims of any G I have ever seen for this date. That said, it also lacks VG detail, but for a G-6, it's great! Actually I'd prefer it to your coin as well.

 

The rim is complete underneath the sun??? Not even close compared to the one RLM posted.