1916-d mercury dime circ grade guessing.

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  1. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    So, I have been in the market for a circulated 1916-d mercury dime to complete my merc dime set. I will probably go for an AG-3 or a G-4 by one of the top 3 TPGs. However, this calls for careful attention because, at least in my opinion, the majority of these coins are overgraded. There are a lot of Fr-2's in AG-3 slabs; and a lot of AG-3s in G-4 slabs; at least in my opinion. Anyways, there is one that I am looking at that I consider to be correctly graded at AG-3. I'm going to post it along with 4 other 16-ds that are in G-4 slabs, to gather some additional opinions from you all on board. In my opinion, all of the posted 16-ds are AG-3s. Which one do you think is the AG-3 based on these photos?(no cheating). Also, which coin would you prefer to have in order from highest to lowest based on these photos?
     

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  3. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    They are all correctly graded at AG-3, IMHO. They are better than FR-2 and not enough detail left for G-4, but I digress...

    The order I would rank them (best to worst) is:

    #3 #5 #1 #4 and last #2. I just don't like the dirty look it has, I don't know. I think it is the least eye-appealing of the 5.

    I also want to add that typically TPGs will be a bit more lenient on key dates. I don't believe that to be the case here as I initially stated.
     
  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Well in my opinion coin 2 is a g-4 with the rest being AG-3. The coin I like best is coin 5. Coin 1 & 2 the color looks off, could be the lighting - just my humble opinion.
     
  5. Art

    Art Numismatist?

    I'm ok with the grading as AG3 on all of the dimes too. But I like #2 the best. I believe it has more detail in the reverse than the others. The center of the "D" is clearly visible and there's more detail in the branches.
     
  6. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    I apologize as I wasn't very clear. 4 of the coins pictured are top tier graded as G-4. Only one is graded as AG-3. My personal opinion is in alignment with Mikenoodle, in that they all SHOULD be graded AG-3. But as stated, the TPGs are overly lenient and graded 4 of the 5 as G-4. My question is, which of these would you guess they correctly graded AG-3.
     
  7. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    best to worst: 2,5,1,4,3.

    I would be willing to buy 2 or 5 but would pass on the others.
     
  8. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    to elaborate, I think 2 is the finest piece details wise, and of the rest I like the look of 5 the best.
     
  9. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    my guess is that the one that the TPG said was AG-3 was #4, the one graded by NGC.
     
  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I think #5 was graded AG, the rest G4.

    Jim
     
  11. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I would be hard pressed to call any of them G4. Looking past the camera work...I really hate the harsh cleaning of #3 even though it has G4 details...and #5 is too "flat" and looks to have been cleaned, as well.

    I don't care for the rim ding between the "M" and "E" in "America" on #2. I like the Obverse rims on #1, but #4 has better Reverse detail (you can actually see the middle and lower bands, some of the diagonal bands, and the sticks at the bottom of the fasces).

    I guess I would rate them...(best to worst) 4, 2, 1, 5, 3

    Right or wrong...it's a fun exercise...thanks for taking the time to post!
     
  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I am going to guess #2 was the coin graded AG. From what I can make out, it actually has the fewest detail. It is just the dirt that brings the details out.
     
  13. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    A cleaned G??? Does cleaning even come into play at a grade where luster isn't in the equation?

    If I am off base here, someone please educate me.
     
  14. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    All 5 of those coins have been graded (by NGC and PCGS if I am seeing correctly). I am willing to bet that none have been harshly cleaned.
     
  15. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    #3 looks like someone took a Brillo pad to it...(imho).
     
  16. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I think what you are seeing is the remnants of a folder sleeve rubbing it.
     
  17. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Maybe so, but it's still the one I would want to own the least. It just doesn't appeal to me.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Number 1 is the best of the lot, no question.

    edit - I did the same thing everybody else did, misunderstood your question. I would say #2 is the one they graded AG3.

    I am basing my opinion purley on the rims of these coins. 1 has more of, 2 has the least.
     
  19. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    This one F-12 Anacs graded it. I found under a old row house. that was a part of the housing for the Marmack cotton mill that was here in Alabama.
     

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  20. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    I would go with #5, 3, 4, 2, 1 and that's with #5 being the best of course. Dimes are really something, I have at least 1 full binder page, no 1916-D of course as the prices are a little too steep for my purposes. good luck
     
  21. silvrluvr

    silvrluvr Senior Member

    I'm curious as to why these coins are so rare and they circulated for so long as to get that much wear....
     
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