10-STG 1933 have John Doe in court room now

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  1. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Government hit a all time low ck the article out
    Coin World Oct 19
     
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  3. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I'm not a subscriber so Amos won't let me view the article.
     
  4. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Did you click on the link???
     
  5. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Yes, and it takes me to a "digital log in page".
     
  6. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Ok I will scan what I can and post it!
    90% of it copy write protected
    but all it said is the government is add 2 more folk to the governments claim
    they john Doe 1+2.I think they are just trying to get the langburgs cash to run out
     
  7. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    I did and the link doesnt work for me.
     
  8. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    All of it is copyright protected and it cannot be posted here. You can post the link all day long, but that's it.
     
  10. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    That information is only available to paid subscribers.
     
  11. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Why does everything have to be about someone making a dime!!!
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Probably because that's how they make their living. How would you like it if you did your work and then didn't get paid for it ? I'll wager you wouldn't like it very much.

    Besides, it's the law. It's illegal to post copyrighted material. You want to read the article, you can. You just have to pay for it first just like the rest of us do.
     
  13. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    What does "10-STG 1933 have John Doe in court room now" mean?

    Is it some type of code?

    :)
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It means that the govt. is trying to deal with any more examples of '33 double eagles that may turn up in the future. In other words they expect to win this, and if the filings to add John Doe defendants are permitted, then the final ruling on the outcome of this case will be binding on them (John Doe's) as well.
     
  15. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Well said GSJMSP !!
    But I think the courts will see a veiled attempt to waste there time!
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The important part of the article is that govt. is trying to shift the burden of proof, which has been placed on the govt. by the court, back to the Langdons.
     
  17. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Then the Mint record will be seen.and then back to 9/ 28 ruling they have to give them back.I hope!!!
     
  18. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    Who are the Langdons?
     
  19. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    It was a typo it should be Langbord/ Izzy Swiff
     
  20. chip

    chip Novice collector

    first, the issue of the 10 1933 st gaudens. chances are that someone switched some common dates for the ones to be melted, that was deception, something done secretly fraudulently. IMO they should be confiscated.

    The second issue the heirs of the estate are not at fault here, they did not participate in the offence, they should not be put at a loss, but they also should not profit from the original deception.

    Third, the burden of proof it should be on the government, because otherwise the defendants will be asked to prove a negative, something that is cockeyed imo because the defendants did not bring charges, it would be different if the defendants were the plaintiffs and had lets say, sued the feds to allow them to openly sell the coins in question.

    Fourth, The John doe addition, this makes sense also because the original 10 were switched out, it would be possible for another 10 or 200 to also have been switched, and it would be right to settle the issues up front so the legal wheel does not have to be constantly reinvented.

    The fourth point relates to the third, if the burden of proof were switched to the accused, how could they prove that some john doe was not involved?

    A tangent to all this, regarding the article the op linked to. Most times fair use of copyrighted material is not an issue, the reason being is that it can inspire people to purchase the whole article, but it seems that some holders of copyrighted material do not see any use as being fair use.

    So thats my opinion, (up til now). I am not a lawyer but I can tell my left hand from my right.
     
  21. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    Regarding copyright. Aren't photos automatically copyrighted by the original photographer. People post other peoples photos here all the time.
     
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