which denomination is appreciating in value the most?

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  1. AlexN2coins2004

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    which denomination is appreciating in value the most?
    walker halves, franklin halves, mercury dimes, roosevelt dimes, barber denominations, ect...

    also is it a bubble or solid?

    (to the flamers: I'm sorry in advance)
     
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  3. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    This isn't an opinion question. It's a research project since the answer can be easily discovered. I suspect you will get a bunch of opinions backed by nothing. Since I haven't done the research, I won't offer an answer.
     
  4. AlexN2coins2004

    AlexN2coins2004 ASEsInMYClassifiedAD


    that's kinda what I am looking for actually

    opinions and opinions based on facts as well

    kinda like a census as well
     
  5. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Lincolns are the only one I am aware of that are even close to holding their own for the last year or so - and they are not quite doing it. I think that transl;ates into none are appreciating and all are depreciating.

    As for developing specific information, you need to specify the time frame you are talking about.
     
  6. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    Okay.

    You're asking about series, not necessarily about denomination, just to clarify.

    Second, why do you immediately apologize to "flamers." To be quite honest, this board doesn't really have much more than a transient flamer. As a whole, this is one of the more civil discussion boards I've seen on the internet. Sure, we see an occasional troll, but because we know not to feed them, they tend to go away rather quickly.

    Now, getting back to your original question, I agree with RLM. Lincoln cents seem to be doing well. I do think this is a bubble, because this is the 100th anniversary of the Lincoln cent series. Should die down in a year or so.
     
  7. RedTiger

    RedTiger Member

    Early copper just experienced a huge jump with some recent auctions going for 2x to 5x the auction estimates for big money coins, including the first large cent to go for over $1 million. So the answer is large cents and half cents, hands down.

    Which will appreciate the most going forward? No one knows.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Do you you really think that a single auction containing what was considered the finest collection out there to be indicative of the entire series ?

    I would consider it to be more of an aberation than an indicator.
     
  9. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    Depending on the time frame that we're talking about, I will say the Indian Head cent. My definition of holding value is from the time of mintage to today and taking into account CPI (inflation rate) and ROI. It is difficult to find any Indian Head cent in even G-4 condition that has a value of under a buck (or 100 times face value).
     
  10. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    I have no idea what the last 2 lines mean but,

    I have no idea what the last 2 lines mean but I can tell you what is not and probably won't appreciate in value. Also you are really asking 2 seperate questions at the same time, "denomination & series"??? but who cares?

    1. Roosevelts, 2. Washinton's, 3. Ikes, 4. Kennedy's, 5. Jefferson's,
    6. Sacs, 7. President Dollars, 8. Modern commems. Mint and proof sets. Not nessesarily in that order but all for those it don't really matter.
    These items are far to common and over minted and "that's putting it mildly. Note::: I had a good oppertunity to bash Ikes and Roosey's but refrained.

    Items that are and have appreciated include.

    1. Lincoln cents, 2. Buffalo Nickels, 3. Indian head cents, 4. Walking Libs, 5. Carson City anything, 6. All Classic coins, (before 1840), 7. Private and territonial issues and finally the big Cherry Pickers dies in high grade.
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Question needs to be more specific. Time frame? Are you talking the whole series or just specific dates/mints? What grades? Absolute increases or percentages?

    I agree that it should have no real effect as an indicator, but it WILL have an effect on the price guides. Every time one of these major collections comes up for auction the price guides go nuts briefly afterwards before they settle back down.
     
  12. AlexN2coins2004

    AlexN2coins2004 ASEsInMYClassifiedAD

    I do not exactly want to be more specific since that can limit what people say or would say
    I just ask that people back up their comments with facts
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Alex a time is important especially given the situation wre are currently in. We have just come off the first bull market we've had in 20 years and now everything, pretty much across the board is dropping and has been for the past year.

    So other than a few specific issues, meaning coins of a spefic date and mint - nothing is appreicating and probably won't for the foreseeable future.
     
  14. RedTiger

    RedTiger Member

    There were three recent auctions, all with strong results, with the last completely off the charts. Even with super nice coins, 2x to 5x the pre-auction estimates is better than any other segment, which is what the original poster asked.

    The pre-auction estimates took into account the quality nature and scarcity of the material, and the estimates were blown completely away. More than a few experienced coin dealers that attended expected results to be 10% to 20% below the estimates as has been the case with many other top quality collections coming up for auction, not many multiples above.

    So the answer stands: early copper--by a country mile. Three auctions is more than enough evidence, as are results that were well beyond moon money.
     
  15. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Ben,

    With regards to your "high mintage" list, what are Washingtons doing there? Furthermore, using mintage numbers alone can be very misleading IMO. The series you mentioned are only really collectible in certain grades. While I agree with you about the moderns, the other series all have conditional rarities that will certainly appreciate over time.

    Paul

    PS: I wouldn't mind if you bash Rosies
     
  16. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    Interesting observation.
     
  17. Bazz

    Bazz Member

    If you are talking about recently how about anything silver or gold? The value of the metals has gone up so wouldn't the coins even if this is just a bubble and the values will soon back off.
     
  18. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

  19. AlexN2coins2004

    AlexN2coins2004 ASEsInMYClassifiedAD

    so I take it I should just stick to bullion investing and watch coins drop in value. Then once they hit bottom then I should buy basicallly what I want. Also some other key dates too.
     
  20. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    I am still buying, there are coins you can buy for good price now
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Red Tiger I am well aware of the auctions you are talking about. And yes, there were coins that far exceeded estimates and previous sales records.

    However, from those very same collections, there were also plenty of examples that came no where near estimates and were far below previous sales records. So I will stand by my previous comments that there is no series or denomination that is experiencing appreciation.

    There have been however individual examples of certain date/mint combinations from across the spectrum of all denominations & series that have shown increases. But as taken as a whole, every single denomination/series there is has been in a downwards trend for some time.
     
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