thoughts on this 1986-d

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  1. yorkiedad5

    yorkiedad5 Senior Member

    probably (MD) ,just want to make sure. thanks--Bill
     

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  3. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    It is not a doubled die, I think it is die wear or a problem in the plating.
     
  4. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    It's what is called plate shift doubling.
     
  5. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    If you want to do an experiment on plate shifting, you need steel cents & naval jelly. Soak the cents for a day or two,or maybe longer, the zinc coating will start shifting giving the coin a doubling appearance. I accidently came upon this trying to remove some rust from a steelie..
    Once you try it you'll be able to identify it in the future. I have sent some of these out to be attributed. They came back as being odd/different, but definatly post mint. They were never told about the naval jelly. Now they know...
     
  6. just coins

    just coins New Member

    The real terminology is Plating split doubling if you want to be technical about it.
    Jazzcoins Joe
     
  7. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Wasn't being technical, just experimental. lol, yes, I know.
     
  8. just coins

    just coins New Member

    I don't understand what you mean about expermental please clear that up it does not computeKiss
    Jazzcoins Joe
     
  9. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    It's a form of die deterioration doubling. The plating hasn't split. And there is no such thing as "plate shift doubling".
     
  10. jcuve

    jcuve Lincoln variety fanatic

    Just hypothesizing, maybe everyone meant, "Plate Split Doubling(?)," a term (I believe, but may be wrong) that Ken Potter coined, or at least is on a website of his, discussing other forms of doubling. Of course this doesn't appear to be plate split doubling but as you stated, DDD.

    I feel like this form of DDD is harder to diagnose as it almost looks like MD or a problem with the plating, as opposed to say the DDD exhibited on the '55 PMDD.

    Jason
     
  11. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    I've used the term "split-line doubling" when referring to split plating, but I'm not dogmatic on its use. The DDD in zinc cents is often rather peculiar-looking. Zinc is rather hard on the dies, even though it's a soft metal. This may be due to unusual visco-elastic properties, i.e., zinc acts has a hard metal when subjected to enormous pressure at high speed.
     
  12. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Well then you'd better tell these people that.

    http://www.cointalk.com/t69385/
     
  13. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    There is no mechanism by which plating can "shift". The incuse doubling is a form of die deterioration doubling. It is most exaggerated where letters extend into "swollen" areas of the coin caused by the die face sinking in.
     
  14. just coins

    just coins New Member

    You are the one that used that term nobody else did.plate shift doubling I didn't use that terminology.
    JC
     
  15. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Don't be so paranoid, the comment was referring to the post provided.
     
  16. just coins

    just coins New Member

    Jazzcoins
     
  17. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Cut out the bickering, I wont tell you two again, this is the second time today.
     
  18. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    Mike a question, while what you say is a perfect answer,

    Mike a question, while what you say is a perfect answer and I agree on this particular coin, but there was some extra thickness to 1992 P&D Lincoln's that I have noticed often - I was never sure if Neff or anybody else went into detail regarding this but they were much thicker that the year before or after. Plus it may be nothing but I do not remember seeing anything about it in print.
    Have you notice this and do you have any thoughts regarding it???
    Thanks,
    Ben
     
  19. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    On another topic, Bill. Can you give a a close-up of the MM. There are RPM's for that year.
     
  20. yorkiedad5

    yorkiedad5 Senior Member

    here it is, but to tell ya the truth, I dont see anything--thanks--bill
     

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  21. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable


    No, I don't either. Thanks
     
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