Anyone recognize this collector ticket?

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  1. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    I've just added this nice Trajan denarius. It was bequeathed to the seller, who was so nice to include the collector ticket. Does anyone recognize the ticket?
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    ROMAN IMPERIAL, Traian. Denomination: AR Denarius, minted: Rome; 101-102 AD
    Obv: IMP CAES NERVA TRAIAN AVG GERM; Head of Trajan, laureate, right
    Rev: P M TR P COS IIII P P: Victory, draped, standing right on prow, holding out wreath in right hand and palm in left
    Weight: 3.45g; Ø:18mm. Catalogue: RIC II 59. Provenance: Old French collector ticket "BCY" collection; acq.: 03-2021
    Nice dark toning

    Here's the collector ticket, reading:
    TRAJAN
    98, 117
    ---------------------
    Tète laurier a DD
    R/Victoire de ... DR
    ..... une laureate
    et une palme
    c. 241 (?)
    350

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    (My French is a bit rusty. Any additions or corrections appreciated!)
     

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Tete laurée à dr(oit)
    R/Victoire debout à dr(oit), tenant une couronne et une palme.
     
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  4. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    Thanks RC!
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    "Laureate head, right. R/Victory standing r., holding wreath and palm."
     
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  6. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    About the "c.241", it's the reference for Cohen 241.

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    Maybe the "350" is the value of the coin in french francs ?
     
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  7. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    Thanks @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix. This would at least place the date of the ticket after Cohen, i.e. 1890s.

    Perhaps Belgian Francs? 350 French Francs seems high for a common denarius (though in nice condition)
     
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  8. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    The value of the french francs fluctuated a lot over the years. In 1950, 350 ff was worthing only 1 USD. In 1929, 350 ff = 14 USD...
     
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  9. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    These days Cohen's catalog is used everywhere in France as if nothing better exists (But not in French!!). I do not think the ticket is very old as it is not written in ink but with a ballpen. FF 350 in the early sixties was next to nothing, but in the seventies with a revaluated Franc, it would have been around $60 which was then a normal price for a Roman silver coin. The three letters on the reverse was probably the code for which amount the coin was bought. Find a word of ten letters in which there are no letters twice, and you have a simple code for 1-0 where the first and the last stand for 10.
    As the text from Cohen shows ' droite' is written with a final 'e'
    Frans
     
  10. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    I do believe the word after Victoire is crown (une coronne). I had to get out my old petit Dictonnaire Larousse,36th Printing, 1963. It was new when I was in the 9th grade. Hasn't let me down since. Nice coin. I just picked up to Byz folles from a bud; Anastasius, both Constantinople mint. The Justinian was year 36.

    Have fun.
     
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  11. james fitch

    james fitch New Member

    I do indeed. Seller in Portugul his late father and he dabbled in coins but the dad was half. I have many purchases with him and the tickets were most likely written by his dad. I will link one of mine. He had a lot of nice Greek Coins too. Of ourse, I may be mistaken tho. Dud I win anything ? Lol
     

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  12. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I am completely astonished to learn that apparently there have been no new general catalogs of Roman coins published in French since Cohen! Especially given that there appear to be so many catalogs for individual emperors, and even for particular sub-categories of the coins of certain emperors (such as the small book on the Zoo coins of Gallienus).
     
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  13. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    I recently bought the latest issue of Cohen in eight volumes for about $100 a reprint from the original in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford!
     
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