1941 Lincoln with a slanted 1

I had previously made a post about this coin, but never inserted a picture. It seems the consensus was it was a post die error, if I am saying this right. I would like to ask that it be looked at again now that I have supplied a picture.

 

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I have also seen several 1941 cents with the exact same slant. I personally think it is a variety, but i was shot down by others on this site who say it is post-mint. I still wonder why there are so many with the same exact tilt, and no sign of damage.

 

While this isn't going to definitively "prove" anything, it is going to raise a reasonable inference (namely, that that's just a "clean" counting machine "hit" on that '41).

 

I'm with you 100%, I've sent one away to have it checked out and was told it was post mint. The pro's aren't always correct...

 

But they are correct that time, post mint damage by a counting or rolling machine.

 

Very nice comparison picks.

 

I have one somewhere too...I would have never thought that a counting/rolling machine could cause this...I'm blown away!

 

Here's one I kept, looked different at the time.

 

Thats very good info., I would have never guessed a counting machine.
Thanx...

 

After seeing those pictures, I am more inclined to attribute it to a counting machine than a badly made die. I just wonder why no damage is visible where the 1 was hit.

 

What I don't understand is, how can a counting machine shift a number like that? It must have one heck of a counter.

 

The damage was not caused by the counting machine but rather the machine that rolls over the ends of the paper rolls. the reason the damage is so similar on so many coins is that the device strikes at the same point roll after roll. The damage is obvious when it first occurs. The reason that the coins posted above don't show as more damaged is they have been in circulation for quite some time since the damage occured and most of the damage is now obscured with toning (brown)


Richard

 

I have one exactly like this and I saw a dealer at a show with three of them. He claimed they are a "variety", I told him no, it's PMD! He tried to argue with me but I walked away. He said he wanted $20 each for those....obviously I laughed.

These are definately PMD coins!

 

That's OK, I saw a guy with an XF 1937 Buffalo nickel that had a machine doubled date saying it was a rare die variety. Price tag, 55 bucks.

You guys do realize that with what you are learning here, you can potentially be saving a fortune?

The ones that are often listed are 1940 cents that have this kind of damage. They are listed as 1941/40. Watch out for clueless people selling coins. Not every dealer knows what post mint damage looks like

Have Fun,
Bill

 

Indeed. Many don't know what MD is either. Can't remember the year, but I saw a dealer with a year that's known for no DDO but this guy had is listed as a DDO in his case. At first, I was all excited! Then I asked him to see it and saw it was MD. HAHAHAHAHA....I told him sorry man, this is machine doubled and definately not a doubled die. He said "I don't know. All I know is it's doubled and the price stands." Once again....HAHAHAHAHAHA! He had the price sky-high for a common cent. :mouth:

 

I once brought an actual doubled die to the local dealer and he said "yeah, thats a doubled die but coins with minor doubling don't bring much of a premium". Does the doubling on my avatar look "minor" to you? ;] :}

 

Also the people that use the term "double" instead of the correct phrase "doublED"

Also in my experience many dealers and people that use the term "double" instead of the correct phrase "doublED" die don't know what one is.
I wish I had a dollar for every time I had to explaine to folks that ask, "oh you mean a coin that was double struck" and I have to tell them "no" it's a coin that was struck from a die was doubled during the hubbing process.

 

Looked at Texmech's picture of a 1941 Lincoln with a slanted 1 (which also appears to be almost touching the 4). Lined it up against my scan (attached) of a '41 which I found while hand counting my wheat pennies. Mine has been damaged by a punch or a BB on the rear which caused a small bump on Lincoln's cheek. Said bump did not seem to have caused any distortion in the date area. The coin does not appear to be bent in any way and the small gouge in the rim didn't appear to have any impact on the date area. My eyes are not what they used to be but, for all intents and purposes, the date areas looked virtually identical, at least to me. I got the penny in PA. Texmech is in TX. As far as I know, I got this penny 40-45 years ago. IF they are the same, what are the chances of a counting machine or any other post-mint damage creating this distortion?

 

I have had mine since I was kid collecting coins back in the 60's. Then I lived in Iowa, so that's where it came from.

 

I saw this on e-bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/1941-Lincoln-Pe...dual?hash=item518c25553d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14