Great Find ... Morgan Planchet Damage

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by DMPL, Sep 12, 2009.

  1. DMPL

    DMPL Member

    I love VAM's, but this 21-P Morgan with planchet damage on the obverse and reverse was just too irresistible to pass up.

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  3. rdwarrior

    rdwarrior Junior Member

    Is that dirt in some of the cracks, or some type of slag incursion? I am referring to down by the chin and up on the forehead, the crystalline looking stuff.
     
  4. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I have to question why the supposed planchet damage also corresponds with obvious post mint damage on the rims. Weird.
    Guy~
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I think it looks kinda neat.
     
  6. DMPL

    DMPL Member

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    The coin shows the material to be much darker than the scan shows. and I presumed it to be grease.

    Edit: Here are a couple of more scans.

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  7. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    If there is a seam on the edge, you might be able to split it in half.
     
  8. DMPL

    DMPL Member

    I really don't know what PMD you are referring to. This coin has already been examined by a gentleman who grades for one of the TPG companies as has said that it was caused by a defective planchet.

    It is an interesting coin that I was lucky to come across and be able to include in my collection and share with fellow collectors.

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  9. pennyman702

    pennyman702 Junior Member

    Seems like an error with the metal itself. Possible lamination?
     
  10. DMPL

    DMPL Member

    I agree, there does appear to be some lamination damage as well on the obverse.

    Surprised that no one has mentioned the D in Dollar on the reverse.

    Although this coin is basically a "wreck", it is one of those few coins that is fun to look at and wonder how ...
     
  11. rdwarrior

    rdwarrior Junior Member

    It looks like a condition called slivers (I used to work in quality control at a steel mill). I occurs when during the rolling process, bits of metal and scale gets between the metal being rolled and the rollers getting pressed into the surface. You could tell the direction the metal was fed into the rollers by the way the defects are all orientated in the same direction.
     
  12. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    I have three comments :)

    There are planchet flaws that were there before the coin was struck.

    There is post-mint damage as well, that's why the denticles and rim are damaged.

    Then, I have seen numerous examples where a supposed third party grader has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to errors or die varieties:) I have seen slabs that were mis-labeled. I have seen doubled dies returned to submitters as not being so, even when the designation was asked for. I have seen articles written by grading / authentication experts that couldn't identify an obviously altered coin, and so on.

    Errors and die varieties are unfortunately, understood by very few and guessed about by very many:)

    Thanks,
    Bill

    PS:rdwarrior has very likely hit the nail on the head as far as what caused the planchet flaws.
     
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