full band or not?

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  1. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

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  3. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I've got several FB slabs that look less FB on the middle band than the OP coin. I wonder if the TPGs are stricter with this designation than before.
     
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  4. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    Well there are two questions, I suppose. SInce the Full Band designation is getting a market premium, there is a question as too if the TPG would give something FB designation. Secondly, it is if you would believe it to be full band and willing to pay the premium. Here is a Merc in the Stack Auction never month that is supposedly FB and you might agree. https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-Q63SC/1939-d-mercury-dime-ms-68-fb-pcgs-cac - THIS is an MS 68 FB (not the one on top), This is not just a weak FB IMO, but it is nicked on the cross lash!! on an MS68!
     
  5. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Any interruption on the trough is the key to designation.
    McDonalds Arches are not required, as many hobbyists believe.
    Purists....discerning collectors....do prefer the McDonalds Arches, and there is nothing wrong with that.
    The photos are not clear enough for internet grading.
    It is why I never grade from photos.
     
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  6. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    PCGS requires full bands on center bands only. NGC requires full bands for top, middle and bottom bands. This photo of PCGS graded coin FB would not be graded FB by NGC because of the issue with the top bands based upon their criteria.
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  7. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    The coin is not a Full Band due to the center bands, IMO.
     
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  8. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    The coin appears to be in a NGC holder and since the top and bottom bands are full with separation, the only issue must be the center bands. @cplradar since you want an answer to the bands issue, post a clear magnified, properly lighted photo, so we can determine separation.
     
  9. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum


    Aint that the truth, but not on ebay.
     
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  11. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I totally agree with you Charley!
     
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  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I hear you. This one is even better. It’s the middle part of the middle band they really want to see going through. When they get that, they relax on the rest. Of course “the book” isn’t going to say that, right? In this PCGS example, it was close enough.
     
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  13. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Yes, but they shouldn't have given out a cigar. The graders must have been sleepy when viewing the coin or_____________fill in the blanks.
     
  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I’ll tell you another trick you’re not going to find in the book. It depends often on the issue. Put the same exact bands on a 1939 and 1939-D Merc and the first fails while the second gets FB. That’s because most 1939 Mercs have FB while rarely do 1939-Ds have them. So they’re stricter on the first while looser on the second.
     
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  15. Seascape

    Seascape U.S. & World Collector

    This is a prime example of buy the coin not the slab. This is exactly why.

    I learned this very early when I bought a xf flying eagle and 2 very reputable dealers took the time to coach me on this topic.
     
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  16. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Maybe @cplradar will give us the answer on his coin, maybe not.
     
  17. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Try the 1945 P. Tubs of fun with that one, getting FB designation.
     
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  18. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Now I'm confused. If the coin was stolen, why are you asking?
    None of the TPG seem to have the same criteria for FB so we all all guessing what they might have labeled or not labeled it.
     
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  19. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Agree...if it isn't, I wouldn't know what is. Actually, I would, and that's the problem with TPG such as it is today...all-too-subjective with all-too-knit-picky whims and whisps of this/that interpretations that us ordinary little humans can't even see or imagine half the time, disqualifying oodles of otherwise decent coins from legitimate grades. We'll see...I won't go any further until the designation is revealed...but I will on that 1847 half cent the other day (can't recall the OP/thread or locate it again...an age thing).
     
  20. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    @cplradar posted a thread and others referenced other graded coins. I'm waiting for radar to post the designation, so far, nothing.
     
  21. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Agree...while it may look at first like a break to some...even to me...on closer exam even without more clarity of mag...I don't believe it is. To me, it's FB...but I lament I wouldn't be surprised.
     
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