1967 half ddo ?

Is this a double die or machine doubling I'm still not able to tell . I don't see doubling anywhere but in front of his face.

 

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That is strike/machine doubling.

 

there is a 1966 & 67 Doubled obv listing. with a better photo we maybe able to tell.

 

It's machine doubling.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Thanks everyone... anyone have an idea of value ?

 

Blue Oxen…your half dollar shows MDD (Machine Damaged Doubling, or aka Strike Doubling). However, doubling from a die on the profile is very common in the Kennedy 1966 series (see attachment). There are 29 different dies identified in the CONECA Listings with profile doubling of some sort in the 1966 series…none for 1967.

Larry Nienaber

 

MD all the way
JC

 

The coin is valued, nowadays by the silver content so it is worth just around 4X face value.

 

The error wont change the value of this coin ?

 

no added value for MD, just the silver content.

 

I don't agree these are considered errors by a well known expert I will not mention the name ,if the doubling is extreme enough , and seen with the naked eye or low magnification it can bring and extra premium on the coin.

They are errors, because The Md should not be there on the coin.

Jazzcoins Joe and Just coins

 

interesting comment.

I have never seen any reference to MD bringing a premium.

Note: This is definitely NOT sarcastic, I wish to learn. This is the first time that I have heard about this.



Every reference that I have seen is that it is considered damamge by most experts.

Where did you see this? And, if so, I will be glad to sell.

 

this 65 has a very low populations as 66&67 there even rarer

 

Treas this was stated by Mike Diamond in a thread awhile back.
he claims and did state in the theard that he feels die chips die gouges Md etc etc are errors since they should not appear on a coin technically they don't belong on a coin.

Since he is a well known expert in this field i'm only taking his word from what statements he made on this subject and Mikes word is good enough for me to sell these errors on ebay and list them as errors without feeling i;m taking somebody for a ride




I wish i new what the thread is so you can see the statement that he made i will try and find this Frank for you.

This is your choice to sell these and label them as errors since this is coming from a well known established individual and the president of Coneca indeed good enough for me to call them errors now.

My idea Treas, they really have to be extreme errors to bring a premium. There are die gouges and interior die Breaks and die deterioration doubling and machine doubling etc etc that I feel can bring a premium on a coin the only prioblem with this there will be different opinions on the level on what is extreme and what isn't

I will try and post some of my coins that I think are extreme MD, DDD CHIPS etc in a thread and call it can these bring a nice premium.

JC

 

Machine Doubling is damage done at the moment of strike. It's worthless.

Die chips and such are considered as markers as to die stages and as such, they are not errors either.

Coins with minor die chips can sometimes bring a premium if someone happens to collect them. A cent with minor die chips should be worth no more than let's say about 25 cents, tops.

Still, machine doubling is not an error nor are die chips.

Thanks,
Bill

 

this is not an error?

 

Jello, The doubled profile is a known doubled die variety. And no....Die varieties are not errors. Machine doubling is neither an error or a die variety...its damage.

Die Varieties are not errors.

Errors are actual mishaps in the minting process that go beyond what the specs at the Mint would allow. They don't care about machine doubling at the Mint as it is simply due to a slight hop or twist of a die during a strike. It is within their tolerances and therefore not an error.

Die varieties effect individual dies such as the 1955 DDO cent. It was hubbed incorrectly forming strong doubling. Every 1955 DDO is essentially identical except for extraneous damage and die wear.

Machine doubling does not create an error or fit into the category of die variety as machine doubling is simple damage caused at the moment of strike.

So back to the coin you showed, it is not an error as die varieties are not errors. And, as stated, it is a known doubled die. The slab indicates the prominent feature of the doubled die which is the doubled profile.

The coin is not a machine doubled coin, in a slab.

I hope that helps,

Thanks,
Bill

 

Well I have to agree with Mike Diamond on this topic technically. i would think these would be considered errors. A coin shoulld not have anything wrong with it there should be no die chips or die breaks or Machine doubling Or die deterioration doubling etc etc on any coin . The mint should be able to stop these mistakes from happening a coin should be clean without any flaws.


So I have to go along with Mike on this ,Technically Mike is right saying they are errors a mistake is an error and to me all these different flaws are errors.

Just because the mint has tolerance levels should not mean that these can't be considered errors in the coin world.
JC

 

We could argue this point till were blue in the face but I not.

but U may need to explain this to Mike Diamond

 

I still haven't seen JC's link to Mike's post where he supposedly states that machine doubling is an error and is not a part of the normal minting process.

Thanks,
Bill