Please Grade US 1887 Seated

Photos are a little grainy when I blow them up. From what I can see it appears there is indeed a lot of luster and all around I can't see any detracting marks on the coin. MS-64. This from a pure amature of a guy.....

 

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all the detail is there: Drapery clasps , hair ribbon etc.

 

I think the coin has a decent strike, but the one you posted is truly excellent and there really aren't many with that much detail.

 

I agree, I used the 87 S just as an example of what an "extremely well struck" seated dime would look like. Here's a pic of a 1887 P that is well struck, but I still wouldn't call extremely well struck.

Coinman I'm not arguing that the coin doesn't have enough detail to warrant a MS64 grade, those two coins you posted are 64s but they are definitely weak strikes. I believe the lack of detail on the OPs coin is from wear, due to the loss of luster on the points, and not from a weak strike, which is why I gave it a AU grade.

Now am I 100% sure this coin is AU, not even close, but I am 100% sure this coin is not a "extremely well struck" seated liberty dime.

 

and the OP's coin Is extremely well struck by comparison of the two Graded coins I offered for review. I would add, I think it's a high end 64. IMHO

 

As usual it's hard to grade from one set of picks , looks like there could be some small rub , but that could just be a week strike , AU-58 to MS-63 . Still a nice coin .
rzage

 

So you're saying the coin is extremely well struck because, it has slightly more detail then two very poorly struck coins?

 

I can understand how you would disagree about the strike. Look underneath that grey screen and you will most probably, if not absolutely, find a very nice sharply struck coin, for the date.

 

The one area which I am disappointed in , is the right leg and the two abrasions.

 

How are we supposed to look under the grey screen . I think you're talking about the toning and in my experience the only way to know for sure what's under the toning is by dipping it .
rzage

 

If you folks are attempting to give the opinion that this coin is weekly struck, you haven't seen enough 87's from the PA mint.

 

You're right on that account with me , I'm just now getting into the seated coins , as I'm one coin away from finishing my 20th century type set , But my question is how do we see under the toning , or do you mean something else by grey screen ?
rzage:hail:

 

raze, when you look at this coin, albeit the pictures are certainly not the best, try a mental picture eliminating that grey matter "toning", if you can. It's just grey. Are all the serifs plain to see? Any weakness in the lettering or high points? The details are visible, slightly shaded grey. For me, this issue/date/mint, it's a well struck specimen and again, IMHO deserves a MS64 Grade. All the Drapery Folds are present, the drapery neckline and clasps are there. The hair ribbon, is there. Full Banner /shield and motto. All fingers are visible on the pole, including the cap/fold.The sandels are defined.

 

Yea , I guess I was comparing it to the other '87 seated dime shown without the toning .
Thanks .
rzage:thumb:

 

This also could be :http://seated.ms60.com/date_mintmark/1887_105page.htm

 

NP. don't forget that was an 87-S as well, totally different. And that was a ^^ too.

 

I'd still also like to hear some other members opinions too.

 

1887 Seated Dime ANACS MS64 WEAK STRIKE

Here is a weak strike:

 

Sorry, but the high spots are worn. Don't hate me for a MS45. Traci

 

I was the one who sold him the coin. I myself wasn't sure if it was an AU-58 or MS, and posted it over on coincommunity (where the consensus was AU-58, so I sold it as one). I will just say that those 'dark spots' don't really exist in hand much at all. Must just be the lighting.