1967 Nickel is this a black beauty or just toned?

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  1. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    this is very dark when looking at the nickel PXL_20210222_125747295.jpg PXL_20210222_125821654.jpg PXL_20210222_125859652.jpg PXL_20210222_125913326.jpg
     
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't exactly call it a black beauty its in pretty nice condition for its age and those steps are good
     
  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Just looks toned to me . What I can't get over is why the Monticello is so mushy ( if that's a word ) and lacking in detail.
    Ayways, the Black Beauty is mostly 1958 and possibly 1959 according to past posts .
     
  5. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    thanks, I see the luster in the coin so I not sure if it's toning or if it's an annealing error? thanks for info
     
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  6. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    The coin appears to be an SMS. With this being said the strike of the steps shouldn’t matter as they should be struck full and therefore are not designated by the TPG.

    The Monticello also looks very well struck. @SensibleSal66 if you want to see some mushy details look at several business strike 1967 and you will see this clearly.

    Coin looks like it has just toned a bit. The blues are nice. Most BB will almost look like environmental damage.
     
  7. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    so just toning
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Your nickel is pretty dark, and has the right characteristics of being in the annealing oven too long. I am on the fence, but leaning towards Black Beauty.
     
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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I say Improperly Annealed Planchet.
    Nice.

    Good candidate for a "Black Beauty"

    Some examples from my collection
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  10. JPD3

    JPD3 Well-Known Member

    I've read that "Black Beauty" is usually reserved for the 1958 and 1959 darkened Jeffersons from the Philadelphia mint. Fred Weinburg said the PCGS labels them as Mis-annealed planchets. I don't know if it is exclusively for 58s and 59s.
    I did find pics on https://forums.collectors.com/
    of a 55 Jeff that someone claimed was a Black Beauty.
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  11. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Are your staples crimped down?doesn't look like they are.
     
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  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Most are. But the planchet annealing issue can occur on different dates.
     
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  13. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    so this would be a candidate to send in on my next PGCS submission
     
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  14. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Nice looking Jefferson. Thanks for sharing
     
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  15. JPD3

    JPD3 Well-Known Member

    Good eye. Not my flip, though. I crimp mine.
    I understand coins world over can suffer dark toning from environmental damage (like the ones you find while detecting). Do you know if there are any of the same type of planchet annealing issues on the Black Beauty Jeffs listed as errors on other US denominations?
     
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  16. bikergeek

    bikergeek Well-Known Member

    I'm not really a big nickel collector so I don't know Black Beauties. But I think your coin is a Beauty for sure. Very nice look to this coin!
     
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  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Improperly annealed planchet can happen on any denomination, Nickels, dime, quarters, half's. Although "Black Beauty" is reserved for the 58 and 59's, because of how many were released. Improperly annealed can happen to any year.
     
  18. JPD3

    JPD3 Well-Known Member

    Thanks:)
     
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  19. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Yes, I agree/thought the same...an SMS...was going to post but saw yours...also same on "Monticello" (word) looking strong.
     
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  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    You have a dark but attractively toned SMS Jefferson. As @kSigSteve said, most black beauties look like environmental damage.
     
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  21. montynj3417

    montynj3417 Active Member

    Clapped-out die?
     
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