Net Grading a ''Problem" large Cent

Nope! Here's Husak's:




By what I see, the one Doug posted is an early die state so the die was fairly new when it stamped out that coin but future examples weren't so lucky. :goofer:

Ribbit

Ps: Doug should be keel hauled for posting the one he posted.

 

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nice coin , quite a rev die crack too.

 

The one I posted was Husak's and I have no clue what it graded.

As to the one you posted, I would have thought it would have gotten MS-67 as strong as it was struck. :thumb:

Ribbit

 

So true ! Why, Doug's coin... well, it has a little micro-gash at K-9 obverse. I can't believe he would post such a doggie coin. Frankly, I'm appalled.:computer:

 

Great opportunity for another learning curve.

Compare the three S-9s on this thread and present evidence for each coin's die state. I'll start :

The Husak coin #3 is MDS-LDS. Evidence includes, but is not limited to, a reverse rim cud above M in AMERICA.

Others ?

 

OP coin - EDS
Doug's example - EDS to MDS
Husak's example - MDS to LDS

What the die state does is prove the odds are good that Eduard's coin had a strong strike at one time.

Ribbit

 

true that (EDS) both Doug's and Eduard's coin.

 

PCGS AU50. Not too shabby.

 

I'm sure that's all very reasonable. Care to present your rationale as to how you came to these conclusions ? It's educational for the group. And hopefully it will set off a big storm of controversy ! encil: :headbang:

 

You can always think of it as you rubbing off on me.

As to 900's question, I base my die state attributions on the die cracks visible on all 3 coins. Eduard's doesn't look like it has the die crack around the last A in AMERICA but Doug's example & Husak's both have that die crack, with Husak's appearing to be bigger and thus, a later die state than Doug's example and Eduard's would be a early die state and since Doug's example is so well struck, the die condition would have been better when Eduard's coin was struck so it had great details at one time but it's still awesome. :thumb:

Ribbit

 

Terrible coin send it to me and i`ll dispose of it properly ! Actually i`d love to own it and even if it`s not perfect it`s still a great coin .

 

And I thought Ancients were hard to grade , old Coppers is the Twilight zone of coins .
rzage

 

I do not think the lower grade price is correct - the reason I say this is I do not recall seeing one that cheap. Not saying they are not out there, but from my looking I would have netted this coin between $2500 and $3500. Now the why is - I have seen worse coins corroded, cleaned and now where near the details sale for about $2k. The one F/vf problem free coin I held in my hands sold for between $6 and $7K. Now between the two coins based off what I have seen is how I would have netted it. Now what I do not know is the variety of the 6-7k coin - I was just mad cause I could not afford it. It rivaled this http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1125&Lot_No=51 coin here without corrosion. The local shop got it in on a saturday and sold it the same day. This is just my opinion - right or wrong.

 

Ancients are hard to grade. That is one of the best features about the hobby. The rule is there are only two grades: "I like it" and "I don't like it." Auction results reveal how many people fall on either side of the question. If I collected US, I'd like this coin. The 'problems fall in areas I could live without. Half the pits located on the face would make the coin less desirable. Even granularity over the whole surface would make the coin uglier to me.

You modern collectors should be happy that most of the coins you seek were struck evenly with all the design on flan. If you want to play in a game where the best known example might be VG and ugly, let me introduce you to ancients.

BTW, if all US coins were this interesting, I would collect them! It is a nice coin.

 

Since there was some concensus at VG8, CQR says that's a $3000 coin. F12 goes for $5000.

 

Two things - I like it and I don't like. This happens alot to me with these old coppers. And LOL - I guess compared to ancients we are "modern" collectors.

 

EDS does not necessarily mean the coin was well struck, only that the die didn't have much wear.