Is this another AU63 coin?

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  1. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    I know that there is slight wear on this coin, but it has truly exceptional eye-appeal and I know if I were to sell it, I would never let it go at the price of an average au58. What do you think?

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    the_man12, Jul 18, 2009
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  3. chip

    chip Novice collector

    I do not see wear on the coin, more like a weak strike, with the contact marks I would say it is a solid 60. Instead of saying that grading by photos is never as good as seeing the coin in hand I will just abbreviate it with GBP<GIH
     
    chip, Jul 18, 2009
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  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I can't really tell from the pictures. I think I see a lot of little hits. What is going on with the F and forehead?
     
    mark_h, Jul 18, 2009
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  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Personally I think it's XF-68.....:goof:
     
    green18, Jul 18, 2009
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  6. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Pictures are too bright and small, can't really tell.
    Cannot see wear, looks to have good luster, but without better pics I don't think many of us can really "see" anything
     
    tmoneyeagles, Jul 18, 2009
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  7. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    Too bright?
     

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  8. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    The pic does have alot of hot spots and is a little bright. More contrast would help. These highend -58's do trade for well above 60 money at times tho. I have seen many more attractive -58's than MS-61's and -62's , thus they are worth more.
     
    Arizona Jack, Jul 18, 2009
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  9. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    The reverse looks unc, the obverse looks worn, there's too much reflection to see if the flat head is wear or strike.
     
    Captainkirk, Jul 19, 2009
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  10. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Yes too bright.
    There are certain areas on the coin that are too blurry to make out, and are blinding. One in particular, is the area near the eagle's head.
    Another one, near the rays from the sun
    Just in general the raised design of the coins look blurry, due to the brightness of the light.
     
    tmoneyeagles, Jul 19, 2009
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Make that just XF and I would agree.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 19, 2009
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  12. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    I see some light rub on the breasts--hers and the eagle's too.

    Meethinks AU or a "super slider".
     
    majorbigtime, Jul 19, 2009
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  13. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    I don't know what grading standards you are using if a coin with lots of mint luster and only slight wear on libertys head and the eagle's breast is xf.
     
    the_man12, Jul 19, 2009
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, based on your pictures, it appears to me that there is wear on most of Liberty's left arm, the entire left leg, the head, the flag (the part behind the body), the motto, and in the field area between the T and Y. On the rev I would say there is wear on both leags, the breast, the head, the left wing, the motto, and on the rock that the eagle perches on.

    And these coins are required to have at least half, or more, of the original mist luster to even be considered for XF. To be AU there can only be minor breaks in the luster.
     
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  15. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    So why is this one with much more wear than mine an au50? And yes I know it's cleaned.

    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1128&Lot_No=8072#Photo
     
    the_man12, Jul 19, 2009
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  16. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    the_man12, Jul 19, 2009
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  17. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    Ah yeah I see what you mean by the eagle. :rolling:
     
    the_man12, Jul 19, 2009
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  18. mill rat41

    mill rat41 Member

    I am far from an expert, but I wouldn't be surprised if this coin was mint state. A lot of S mint walking liberty are weakly struck. The 1940 S - notoriuosly so.
     
    mill rat41, Jul 20, 2009
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  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Because it is an entirely different coin, graded by an entirely different set of standards. It is also over-graded in my opinion.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 20, 2009
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Again, another pre '21 Walker. They are graded differently than those struck after 1921. And I would say that one is over-graded as well.

    Yes, the Walkers struck in early '40s at the S mint are known for weak strikes. But there is a difference between what a weak strike looks like and what wear looks like. It is all too easy for collectors to fall into the trap of grading these coins too high by using the excuse that the flatness on the coin is due to a weak strike - not wear. And as I said, at least half of the original mint luster must be present even for the coin to grade XF.

    Let me quote you direct from the PCGS standards for XF - "coins have flatness in the head, breast, left hand and skirt lines of the left leg, with blending of the breast, hand and skirt lines. The breast, upper wing, and leg feathers will be worn mostly flat, and some wear is evident on the central wing feathers."

    Now that description fits your coin to a T. And the standards used by the ANA are even tougher, much tougher. So I see no way that that coin could be graded any higher than XF.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 20, 2009
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  21. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    looks like there is flatness on the cheek side. hard to tell
     
    coinman0456, Jul 20, 2009
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