1599 Dutch Lion Dollar

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Mkm5, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. Mkm5

    Mkm5 Well-Known Member

    America's first silver dollar!

    I'm interested in buying a decent example.

    Found this one that caught my eye.

    What's a fair price to pay?

    Thanks in advance! s-l400 (8).jpg s-l400 (9).jpg
     
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It's details graded and it's damaged. Why spend the money on it? I'd pass.
     
  4. MIGuy

    MIGuy Well-Known Member

    A 1648 with AU Details NGC went for $195, maybe offer $180? Lol, Collecting Nut, it's a 1599 coin - not a modern Washington quarter - there aren't stacks of these going for cheap in MS condition.
     
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  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I never said anything about MS. You quote a 1648 coin going for $195 and state this is a 1599. That's only 49 years apart. The op's coin is from the Netherlands and not a US coin. I just can't see spending good hard earned money on a coin like this one.
     
  6. MIGuy

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    To each their own. I can see it, if I had the money. ;) (the 1648 was a Details coin too - have you seen a lot of these that are not Details condition?)
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not really the type of coin I look for. The rim damage did it for me on this coin.
     
  8. Mkm5

    Mkm5 Well-Known Member

    I don't know, with a 400+ year old coin the rim damage adds some character!
     
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  9. Mkm5

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    Asking price is $250, if that provides more perspective.

    Honestly, if I purchase this coin, I'd crack it out of the plastic to be able to better experience the history of the coin in hand!
     
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  10. Mkm5

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    Just to clarify, it isn't a US coin of course, but it was the first "coinage" used in the United States and many other countries. The history itself is quite interesting!
     
  11. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    You have me very curious. I have always considered the Spanish 8 Reales as our first silver dollar. You have made me curious about this piece... And that is a good thing.
     
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  12. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    20210215_184913.jpg FWIW, here is mine. It's more silvery than it looks in the picture. I won it raw on ebay a couple of years ago. Paid $116.50. Wasn't positive on authenticity but ICG deemed it OK.
    These were crudely struck on crude planchets. I'm not going to argue with a TPG calling it rim damage, and I suppose clipping may have been a problem also. But the coin in the OP doesn't look half bad to me.

    Which province it came from may make a difference in value, and I'm not smart enough to tell. My first thought is the price sounds a little much, but with these pieces it seems to me that it comes down to finding one your eye likes, (in the context of knowing what's out there), then deciding what it's worth to you.
     
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  13. Mkm5

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    Interesting, I understood the Leeuwendallder predated the Reale as commonly used coinage in early America?
     
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  15. MIGuy

    MIGuy Well-Known Member

    It depends where in what is now America, of course, St. Augustine (1565) and the early California settlements were Spanish. The colony of New Netherland was established by the Dutch West India Company in 1624 and grew to encompass all of present-day New York City and parts of Long Island, Connecticut and New Jersey. A successful Dutch settlement in the colony grew up on the southern tip of Manhattan Island and was christened New Amsterdam. I'm guessing these were currency in the Northeast and reales were currency in FL & CA.
     
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  17. Mkm5

    Mkm5 Well-Known Member

    This is great information, very interesting!
     
  18. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    These circulated in early America and have an interesting design A lot of shipwreck salvaged coins are available as well as a lot of cleaned and damaged ones. Finding a well struck example with original surfaces is a challenge. I'd like to own one someday.
     
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  19. Mkm5

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    This just showed up in the mail today!
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