My PCI toned Morgan that didn't cross

^and this is the point

if PCGS decides all of these "gassed" ASEs are OK, then why not the "gassed" morgans as well??

a 99.9% confined piece of silver/metal will obviously react slightly differently than a
90/10 piece of silver/metal.....ASEs from green PCI holders don't have that orange-y crud that Morgans and Peaces get from the reaction, otherwise the pinks and greens (and oranges) progress in very similar organic ways

it's just strange that some very wild ASEs are deemed "market acceptable", yet a Morgan has to tone wildly from a bag situation to be given the same evaluation

 

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Welcome to the world of TPGs. Some gassing is harder to detect than others.

 

lol, sigh

I think this whole toned coin thing became a monster (excuse the pun) that, in the end, no one could control or regulate

 

...or define. And boy did they try.

 

It takes experience to buy market acceptable toned coins. I’ve been doing it for over 25 years. An AT coin, even if it has passed muster with a TPG is very obvious to me.

 

Thank you.

 

Thats not the typical toining you see on morgans I agree with the given results

 

Morgandude11, posted:"Sorry, but I agree with PCGS. The toning looks very dubious to me. I have not seen a Morgan with that toning pattern that was Market Acceptable."

I worked at PCI. IMHO, the toning on that coin is OK. PCI had an unknown "problem" at the time that produced some unbelievable toning colors. The insert and paper reacted over time to tone the coins in slabs. EVERY SE put in a holder was originally 100% white. Every Morgan with a 100% white label toned in the holder. There may be some exceptions of this "mythical?" gassing problem but I have yet to see one in a PCI slab.
As for toned Morgan's w/o 100% white labels, it all comes down to what is market acceptable AT EACH TPGS.

 

Agree. When I first looked at the link (before reading the post) my very first thought was Artificial Toning. Then when I read it I agree with PCGS. HOWEVER, I do agree that if one of the BIG dealers sent it in THEY would also send the grade with it and if would come back with the grade they wanted. Remember the Golden Rule he who has the gold RULES!
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Phil

 

Respectfully disagree. It looks like a few of the PCGS ASEs that I owned, and came from a known coin doctor, but were market acceptable. . Same peripheral toning, with an untoned center, and a uniform rainbow—very symmetrical.

 

And you are 1000% wrong and guilty of perpetuating nonsense internet conspiracy theories

 

Links don't pose a problem if they are some place like Great Collections or eBay. The trouble can start when the link is to somewhere that is unfamiliar.

 

Yes, these toned coin bring more money than they should, and they encourage coin doctors to ruin coins that were okay before they started messing with them. Even if you can dip the junk off, you have lower the luster of the piece.

As for the toning, I agree with a couple of the previous posts. I don't care for the pattern of the toning. It does not look natural.

 

Morgandude11, posted: "Respectfully disagree. It looks like a few of the PCGS ASEs that I owned, and came from a known coin doctor, but were market acceptable. . Same peripheral toning, with an untoned center, and a uniform rainbow—very symmetrical"

That's Ok, You are the Morgan dollar expert so I won't use the "I was there and you were not" defense.

 

One thing you can do...I do it on ANY coin I submit, but to each their own: On all raw, crossovers and regrades submitted...I specify in no uncertain terms on the form(s), that if it's not going to achieve a straight grade and/or the equivalent or better of the existing grade, DO NOT SLAB/Holder (or remove from existing slab). Still costs the same...understand...but to me/IMO...a "details" slab is the kiss of death for a coin's value. If it's potentially worth it, I may try the other TPG if I feel it has a chance and reason for rejection was borderline/questionable if not nit-picky subjective. Way too many good, decent coins are subjectively rejected for what should otherwise be receiving legitimate grades.

 

^^that's what I should've done....dammit

here is the coin in the original holder:

 

nm

 

I would be a Leary buyer.

 

here are 2 PCI > PCGS crosses that have the same toning: