Artificial toning?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by codydude815, Jun 24, 2009.

  1. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

    I'm going through my collection atm, and i ran across this washington i picked up when i first started collecting. Back then, the "too good to be true" color got me to buy it, now, it looks like sombody hit it with a blowtorch :(

    What do you guys think?


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  3. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    does it still have luster?
     
  4. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

    Yeah, it's got luster, it just looks, unreal.

    Usually, i can pick an AT coin out a mile away, just, the luster on this on throws me off. What makes me think it's ATed, is the extreme toning difference on the obverse/reverse.
     
  5. vincent2920

    vincent2920 Senior Member

    Toss the coin in the air. Heads it's AT . Tails it's NT. I have no idea.
     
  6. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    IF the color in the images is true-to-life, I actually think it's probably OK. The obverse color is very unusual looking, but the reverse color and pattern is like that which I have seen on a good number of naturally toned examples.
     
  7. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    It Looks like NT to me , but even the tpgs have trouble with guestionable toning , how about one sides NT the other is AT . LOL
    rzage
     
  8. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

    The pic is dead on. I'm trying to decide if i want to sell it on feebay or not, so, i wanna be 100% sure it's natural.

    I mean, toned coins are usually what i aim to collect, and like i said before, generally, i can tell if it's NT or AT. This one just has me stumped :confused:
     
  9. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Cody , then just state that in the description , that you think it's NT but can't be 100% sure .
    rzage:):hatch::hammer:
     
  10. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

    Lol, good call
     
  11. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Looks NT to me -- some type of album I'd guess.
     
  12. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    It would be very helpful to me if someone published some pretty indepth information with color photos on what to look for to distinguish NT from AT. Maybe such a publication isn't really feasible, or maybe it exists and I don't know about it.
     
  13. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I've never seen such a guide before, although there was a good post on PCGS a few years back that I'll try and dig up.

    Personally, I look for coins that are unquestionably naturally toned -- for instance coins that I've owned personally or can trace back to someone who has stored the coin naturally, and memorize the "look". While this is not a 100% sure method as the coin doctors can mimic these looks, it does help cut down on the obviously AT coins.
     
  14. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    I'm not sure if this is the thread in question, but either way, it's a worthwhile read:http://forums.collectors.com/messag...readid=304983&highlight_key=y&keyword1=toning
     
  15. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Yup, that's it. Thanks Mark.
     
  16. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Well to know for sure. Just heat up with an acetylene torch for awhile. Then you will know its AT. Traci
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Actually you won't know anything for sure. Just because some artificial methods can produce similar toning doesn't prove a thing. Natural toning can occur in so many different ways and with an infinite number of "looks". And any natural toning can be reproduced, quite accurately, by artificial methods.

    I too would say that the OP's coin was naturally toned.
     
  18. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

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