Junk silver? Not. 1928 Peace Dollar

I didn't call you anything that you didn't confirm in your own post.

This is the definition of an internet troll.

If I HAVE broken the rules, I apologize to the board and accept whatever consequences the moderator sees fit to implement.

Have a nice day!

 

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Contrary to what you have stated, your coin was NOT sent back to you for, as you put it "unattractive fields which was stated the toning of the coin poor eye appeal" - that is not a reason that NGC uses. You continue to ignore facts and information provided by posters here (such as the link I provided) at your own expense.

I can tell that you like to get the last word, so, as a big favor to you (and perhaps others), I will not reply to you again in this thread.

 

With all due respect. It appears that JC doesn't truly understand why his coin was not graded and that he is bitter because of the outcome. JC, you say that the coin was bodybagged by NGC, but can produce no proof of such. To the contrary, Mark was an NGC grader and he has shown not only examples of what he means, but has cited the criterion for coins not being graded by NGC.

Sometimes in order to learn one has to listen to others regardless of how little sense they make and regardless of whether or not they know what they are talking about. There is knowledge to be gleaned from even abject failure and if you never listen to different ideas, no matter how absurd they may sound, you can't learn anything beyond what you already know.

 

What differance doe's that make if he was a grader, they make mistakes and grade inaccurate too, just because somebody was a grader at a grading company does not mean a thing people that have been grading for years could have the same knowledge so that does not confirm anything

I;m not bitter for what reason will I be.I sold the coin for a good price without the grading company and saved money.I grade my own coins now because of that experiance and i'm glad I do.

I'm only defending my opinion here ,and I have a right too, but what is all this elborating going on ridiculous

I will stick to my opinion and that's it. I don't need a course on listening, my idea of the coin is what it is.

Thanks Joe

 

Joe, this statement is true except for the first sentence, and it is not related to knowledge or years of experience, more by human nature. Doctors do not operate on their own family, One's children are always the smarter, better looker, or better athlete because they are our own. It is a rare person who can look at their own coins and evaluate it as if it was someone else's. Our visualization neurons interact with the emotional areas of the brain and our "seeing" is altered by how we feel about something. A grader who does it for a living is like a specialist doctor who does what is necessary without the emotional overtones. On another forum there is a post with 500+ responses concerning a person who thinks NCG physically tested a toned area of his coins without his permission and rejected as AT. He is emotionally and financially attached.

With respect

Jim

 

Are you implying that you saved money because NGC sent your coin back without grading it?

I am under the impression that you aren't refunded your money if your coin gets bodybagged.

 

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I am under the impression that you aren't refunded your money if your coin gets bodybagged.

Your impression is correct, unless there are extremely unusual circumstances.

 

No my money wasn't refunded a rip off at that they should give you something back maybe half at least

.I don't bother sending my coins out for grading anymore I do it myself and save alot of money and maybe the coin won't come back like The grade I exspected it to come back in and being disappointed.

Just coins Joe

 

Mark, you have piqued my interest with that reply.

Can you elaborate on what kind of circumstances might illicit a refund AND a bodybag?

 

Why should they give it back. You paid for their services to access the coin. They accessed it and said it was not market acceptable to be in a slab with a grade so they sent it back.

It's just like when you go to the doctor's and have an x-ray taken and you pay for it but you don't get to keep the x-ray. You are paying for the service to have the x-ray examined by the doctor not for the film itself.

 

The first thing that comes to mind..... I am aware of a few instances in which a collector had submitted quantities of coins, most or all of which were were counterfeit or otherwise no-grades, due to cleaning, AT, etc.

 

Mark, you are a gentleman with incredible patience to deal with JC as you have. I also greatly appreciate the knowledge you share.

 

I have a feeling that NGC used a term that JC has unintentionally twisted into what he has stated was the reason for it being body bagged. I do that all the time and I've even done it on here and got checked on it and had to appologize for my CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t). You were involved with one of them, if you recall.

Ribbit

 

I agree 100%, :thumb: thank you for all the info you have shared Mark.

 

Toad I haven't twisted anything around there's no reason for me to appoligize if i have offended somebody then I would. I'm man enough to do that.

What i said in my earlier post was the reason why they sent the coin back to me and I don't want to repeat it refere back to the posts Please :smile
Thank You:high5:
JC Joe :smile

 

From the Sherlock Holmes standpoint:

1. We have you, saying NGC returned it for the reason you stated.

2. We have Mark, who worked for NGC, saying that doggie don't hunt.

Logic would dictate that over time, the real reason it got body bagged has been corrupted in your head (aka: the first thing that goes - memory) and you remember it as you have stated but that isn't what really happened.

However, logic can sometimes play tricks on you.

Ribbit

 

I must say that this thread is quite fun. I have a 1928 and I believe that this is a genuine 1928 too. Again, I do not like this coin and would never grade it above a VG-8 but even if I did, I wouldn't pay over $250 for it. It is a crappy looking coin. It would be hard for me to believe that someone could rate it above VG-8. Even if they did; who cares; it won't bring anyone too much pleasure. I wouldn't brag about it in my collection.

 

Please show me images of a SINGLE VG8 or even a Fine Peace Dollar (that hasn't been net graded) with the amount of detail of the coin in this thread? I don't think you can do it, but if I'm mistaken, I'll be happy to admit it publicly and congratulate you.

The fact that you don't like the look of it - and for all we know it could look worse or BETTER in person - doesn't magically lower the grade to VG.

 

An interesting discussion, I think that shmolo is to be commended for an honest effort on behalf of a friend. I say this because I had to get an evaluation of my dads collection to help settle his estate. What I did was slightly different, I got some books, did some internet checking, and then took a sampling to some local dealers, I put a value (amount of money that a dealer would pay) and then compared to what values various local dealers assigned to it. From what I have read ten percent variation is acceptable, the worst difference was one dealer was three percent under, the rest were all a couple percentage over.
It cost me to have the dealers give me an appraisal, but I felt it was worth it to check to see wether I was able to do a creditable job of it.
I would offer this advice to shlomo, though you feel you cannot afford this coin, if you have an interest in collecting peace dollars it might be a good filler that you can upgrade over time.
I have an 1895-s that is a vg, the plan is to upgrade it someday with a cash and trade.

 

All toning is a form of corrosion, it just isn't referred to as such when it is as insignificant as the OP's coin. It's just called ugly toning in the numismatic community. Now if you want to get technical about the terminology then call it corrosion, but there's no way this coin would grade vg.