Canadian 1c struck over USA 1c

I came across this on Google and my jaw dropped.

http://minterrornews.com/discoveries-4-18-06-canada_us.html

A 5 year difference from the two strikes. I would love to find something crazy like this.

 

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If this is real, can anyone explain just how it occurred. The only method I know of would be intentional mint sabotage.

 

I would guess a prankster at the Canadian mint tossed a USA 1c into a tub of blank planchets.

I agree, there is a 99% chance that this was intentional.

 

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This looks like a relative of the 1913 Liberty Nickel.

 

Oh, its more than 99% chance. Its more like 100% chance.

 

Is it possible it was an inside job at the US mint? In other words its a Lincoln that was stamped over Canadian?

 

It's a 78 Canadian over a 73 Lincoln, so it happened at the Canadian mint.

I just wanted to share this awesome coin with you guys.

 

In a word:
WOW!

I opened this expecting to see the usual junk hammer job, but NOOOOOOO!

 

There's something very fishy about this coin I bet this is a fake of some kind. I just don't think this type of error would be done intentionally . at any mint. I have never seen an error like this with just US liberty on a Candian coin. Look, at the profile there's doubling I think it's a fake coin which was slabbed intentionally. They say this is unique bannanas,

JC

 

Intentional errors are something that all mints must combat. There is a famous story in the error collecting community about a few guys at the US mint that were making all sorts of intentional errors and then dropping them in the oilpans of the forklifts that they used at the mint. They had a friend who worked on the forklifts and he would retrieve the coins and then the pair (or group I cant remember) would clean them up and them sell them for big bucks. The mint got wise, busted the guys, and started putting a little screen in the place on the forklifts where the coins were being dropped in.

This stuff does happen at mints... And from the source of the story I have no doubts that this is a legit piece.


I would also suspect that the same person made this piece as well.

 

Could you prove this was not done outside the mint the pic you posted? You know there are alot of frauds out there who would go to the trouble to do these errors besides the mint.

JC

 

Can you prove it wasn't?

The machinery that is necessary to produce something like this is very expensive an the average con man would not have half a million to spend on a couple of fake errors. The first coin is certified by a major grading company which means that they had several experts look at it and they all agree that it is a genuine error, if there was ANY doubt it would not have been certified. Knowing who owns the second coin and the circles that it trades around in is enough proof for me.

 

Well Do you know how many fake errors get slabbed by the experts and this happens everyday in the coin world just like you claim things happen at the mint delibrately so if you could believe that then why can't you believe the other ????????????????

What do you know how much it would cost to make an error like that millions of dollars give me a break. The conterfieters are very clever and they could device a system were they could maybe produce these errors at a resonable cost,you wouldn't even know it and slip right through the experts and be fooled sometimes there only human.

JC :hammer:

 

I do, not very many at all. I know graders and finalizers with both NGC and PCGS personally. I know the experts that they ask when they are unsure about an error. I have the utmost trust and respect for these people and their considerable skills. You have to get up really really really early in the morning to get past these folks.

They do from time to time, there is proof of it in the arrest records of those convicted.

I do know that there are counterfeiters of errors out there... the coin in question is not one of them. I saw this coin in person more then 10 years ago. This was before the wave of Chinese counterfeits. Before this time counterfiet errors this dramatic were almost nonexistent.

Lets see here, a high pressure press, believably cut dies, the planchets just to name a few things

What system would that be??

Not the guys I know...

 

Well you have to realize one thing Lostducthmen there only human just like the people that check for terrorist and the terrorists slipt by they are human to?


Jazzcoins Joe

 

1978 was a peak year for the production of intentional errors from the Royal Canadian Mint. I have several and have seen numerous examples over the years. Other peak years are 1967 (especially for proofs) and 1969.

 

Should that in your opinion decrease the value of the 1967 "diving goose" dollar?

 

Is the "diving goose" a rotated die error? I haven't heard of any intentional errors of that sort. There are quite a few in-collar double strikes with rotation between strikes that affect the proof 1967 dollar. These are all considered to be intentional errors.

Since 1978 produced such a profusion of intentional errors, ALL errors from that year are under suspicion.

 

Yeah, it is just a rotated die.
I know there is no reverse, but this about how rotated it is: http://www.jandm.com/i/1$-1967-diving-r.jpg
And it brings a HUGE premium. A regular 1967 is only worth a few dollars, this one is worth hundreds.