What is the oldest coin graded MS-70 ?....

by PCGS, or NGC ?

Or PF-70 ?

I think there are some MS-69 Morgans ?, I know MS-68 exists for Morgan dollars.

 

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I don't know about ms70 but this 1793 large cent is graded ms69.

http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cents/1793_wreath_cents/1793_large_cent_s009.htm

 

That cent is amazing. I wouldn't expect any coin from that period minted that well let alone survive that way.

 

I believe there are some coins dating to the reign of Charles II in the 1670s. The Royal mint always kept a few coins for itself as assays.

 

Could be, but I think he is asking about federal coinage specifically.

 

Well, that 1793 cent is it. The mint opened the year before.

 

........good reason to post pics of coins freshly slabbed to debate these claims. i don't know WHY this isn't done across the board for slabbed coins. it only helps the collector and the tpg imo.

 

I didn't realize the Home Shopping network was that old.

 

PCGS
There are 4 PR70 dimes dated 1961. Also, I am see a single 1964 PR70 Lincoln cent.

 

As fro PCGS MS strikes, the earliest I can find is 2005 for Lincolns, dimes and quarters and 2007 for the nickels.

 

And I believe those are for Satin finish pieces out of the mint sets. A couple years back they made a big deal out of certifying the first MS-70 business strike Lincoln memorial cent, a 2003. that con has since turned in the slab and is no longer a 70.

 

When you guys say the coin turned in the slab, this is an aspect or market grading, correct? By technical grading standards, would that even be possible?

 

Yes, I was referring to US coins, and business strikes, but you can't really tell a business strike from a mint set coin.

I personally don't think MS-70 ( or PF-70) can exist. There has to be some microscopic flaw somewhere ?

 

How about a fingerprint or carbon spot developing on say a copper coin, like a PF-70 cent, after slabbing ?

It can't be a 70, with a spot, right ?

 

And that is jutst what the 2003 cent did, it grew spots. (The 63 proof also became spoted but as I believe it was GD said if you went back to the pictures of the coin just after it had been graded the spots were visible even then, but I believe they were smaller then.)

And yes if spots develop on a 70 after it has been slabbed it DOES reduced the grade. The TPG's have had to make good on a lot of 70 graded silver eagles that later developed milk spots.

In theory for the 2005 and later coins you can because they have a different surface finish than the business strike coins.

 

.......does PCGS have pics of what they slab? i thought only NGC and one or two other tpg's did this and kept the pics in an archives that could be looked up on line. are you referring to the 'true view' pics? sorry if i may be misunderstanding you, doug.

steve