PCGS Price Guide - Is It Accurate in a Relative Sense?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kanga, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Based on comments in here and in other venues the PCGS Price Guide appears to be overpriced even at the retail level.
    BUT
    As a relative pricing guide is it reasonably accurate?

    By that I mean if coin X is listed at $100 and coin Y is listed at $50, then you can be confident that coin X is truly worth twice coin Y in the real world.

    I'd like to be able to say that if I believe coin X is actually worth $80, then coin Y should be worth about $40.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Understand what you are asking but the answer is to a degree, yes. However, there are some coins where the price listed in that guide is actually accurate, plenty others it is wildly inaccurate. So it kind of depends on which two coins, in which grade, you are comparing for even the relative accuracy to have any meaning.
     
  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I will tack another qualifier on to it. I find most Lincoln prices sort of accurate (in the sense that coins sell higher and lower than the PCGS listed price). However, it is not uncommon to see price variations for the same date greater than your 2 : 1 difference.

    As a for-instance 1950-S MS67 RED
    PCGS guide = $1650
    In the last 12 months, Heritage has sold 8 of them prices from $920 to $1840
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And let us also not forget that many coins have dropped in value by 50% in that same 12 month period.
     
  6. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I have found the PCGS price guide to be a good representation of RETAIL pricing from professional dealers (not to be confused with Heritage/eBay or wholesale). Moreso for classic coins, less so for moderns, but overall it is the most accurate retail pricing guide I've found (much better than Trends, for instance).

    Also, the point about price variability that RLM brings up is a good one, and dead on correct IMO.
     
  7. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Not much to add here, you guys pretty much nailed it:thumb:
     
  8. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    My guess is that Lincolns have actually gone up in the last year.
     
  9. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Many have RLM, but look for the red arrows, and watch the PCGS video of David Hall explaining the reason for the Lincoln drop........Jack Lee had a lot to do with it.

    Of course they are not talking about xf 1909's here....they are talking registry coins and the whales that play that game.
     
  10. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    I find the Redbook useful in a different way. I compare price trends over a number of years to identify coins that might be good value because the price has lagged the market. To an extent, the Redbook becomes accurate because many sellers use it to price the coins they want to sell. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
  11. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Yes, I would agree many have and I will bet many have not. I guarantee the 51-S I bid on tonight has not dropped. In fact it went up about 30%.

    BTW, at least tonight, I cannot find that video. How about a hint.
     
  12. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    PCGS now has market reports weekly on You Tube, I cannot find the one I am thinking of in particular, but I am persistant. I will find it and post it, lol.
     
  13. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I feel compelled to chime in about the Jefferson Nickel series. PCGS has a much more conservative grading policy than NGC for Jefferson nickels. In fact, they are about a whole grade more conservative. This is important because the PCGS price guide is vastly different than Numismedia wholesale for Jefferson's, but both are very accurate IMO. Just don't use the PCGS price guide for NGC coins and vice versa.

    The full step designation prices are another story entirely. NGC is very strict with their application of the full step designation whereas PCGS will routinely give the designation to coins that are not full step nickels. Determining the prices of high grade full step Jeffersons is all but impossible due to the disparity in standards between the TPG's, with respect to both numerical grading and FS designation. IMO, this makes the PCGS price guide rather useless and the only good indicator is past auction prices realized.

    PS: Numismedia does not provide a price guide for FS Jefferson Nickels.
     
  14. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Is this the one; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcXPqrf-dpU ?

    If so, you are reading more Jack Lee into it than I see.
     
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