Ebay seller stole my pics!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by cncman, Jun 6, 2009.

  1. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Yes & no ebay was no help.but my broadband was only 1 unit so it had to be someone close to my home.I have 5 teenage boys 2 houses down from me I think they may have done it?
    I am glad I no one had bid on it they had started at .99cent
     
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  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Someone once broke into my eBay account and listed a motorcycle (huh?) that I was supposedly selling. Once I managed to convince eBay that I really did not list the item, they were most cooperative.
     
  4. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    There is no way to know, either is possible but I tend to assume the worst with eBay. I wouldn't trust them. It's one thing to tale a photo off the mint site of a new coin or a coin set which is clearly a stock photo. It's quite another to steal them from another auction and deceive a customer that the pictured coin is the one for sale.
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    You don't see this much anymore but folks used to just use the link to others images to use on ebay. That made it really fun because the owner could change the image to anything they wished. Use your imagination.;)
    What would you change the image to? If the seller had a bid on the auction he could do nothing but end the listing. I wish those that use others images without asking were still that stupid.
     
  6. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    It doesn't matter.
    You don't steal somebody's pictures, especially on ebay listings!
    You can't just right click, save as, to whatever you like on ebay!
    The pictures in the listings, are the seller's property
    This should absolutely be reported! :)
     
  7. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    You see, this would be fine, if it was a modern issue coin in mint packaging and what not, and the seller messaged the other seller asking if he could use the photos, and state in the listing, that it is a stock photo, or representation of what you'd be getting...
    That would be fine
    But he didn't ask for permission, and I doubt in his listing, he said, "these are not my photos" or something like "coin pictured, is not coin received"
     
  8. ejedi

    ejedi use the eforce

    I would have reported it too...this person is using your work (taking the image) to sell against you.

    Stock photos are stock photos, and owners can report them if they want (ie. the mint), but most would not really care if you use them.

    A photo you took, especially a close-up could be the biggest contributor to the sale of your item, and should not be allowed to be used by others selling against you, unless they have your permission (ie. you had one, sold it, and now you don't mind them using your image, and they ask nice....)
     
  9. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    Yea, this guy just blatantly ripped me off, ebay hasn't done anything, I guess cause it is the weekend or they don't care and I emailed the seller telling him to remove my photos from his auction, no response and they are still up there. I have not provided the photos for anyone else.

     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    They work on the weekend, but they do not have instantaneous response. I would be pretty sure that it will be gone by tomorrow PM.
     
  11. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    To bad that he didn't copy links, and you had hosted your own pic's....you could have changed it to almost anything :D

    What type of security on your wireless did you have?....I would suggest WPA - then make up a key-code...or turn on MAC filters...that would have blocked them.
    I wonder if they just didn't hack your ebay account and never touched your home wireless...that is MUCH more feasible.

    Speedy
     
  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Then how did they get his pix for a coin he owned for many years. (If they did not steal the pix, they at least knew of them.) That does not come from an eBay account.
     
  13. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    Good point ;)

    Speedy
     
  14. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    I'd be miffed as well and would report it.
    I had a different experience on Overstock a few years ago. Sold a guy some Morgans (that he paid too much for).
    He emails me and says he didn't get them. This is not good.
    A few days later I'm browsing auctions and happen to see a Morgan listed. The picture was not stolen but an attempt to steal the coin certainly was.
    The guy had taken his own picture of the coin in a 2x2. It was MY handwriting on the 2x2! It was also a common AU coin and he had it listed as high grade MS at like $200.

    I pointed this out to him. Whoops!

    Eventually he was banned.
     
  15. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    The problem I have with Ebay and stolen pics is the rules clearly state that the pics must be of the actual coin for sale so that rule stipulates stock photos cannot be used so when someone steals a photo, that alone violates the stock photo rule but Ebay won't pull the auction unless the owner of the photo complains and if the photo is stolen from an outfit like Heritage, they make Heritage jump through hoops to get it removed. :(

    Ebay invites fraud but you have to understand, fraud makes Ebay a lot of money so why wouldn't they encourage fraud? :goof: That's why it's so important to educate yourself before buying anything on Ebay and the education isn't just about the items you are buying, it's also about Ebay and what to watch out for to keep from ending up being a victim of fraud. ;)

    I would report the pic thief but Ebay won't do anything about it so only the owner can get Ebay to do something about it and even then, it's difficult to get them to do anything. :whistle: Ebay has structured itself in such a way that no one knows what they are doing, so it's rare to get the appropriate response from them. :goofer:

    Ribbit :)
     
  16. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Which means Meg Whitman will be right at home if she becomes California's next Governor!
     
  17. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    after I read my book on my D-link setup
    I put a lock on my wireless D-link. it been ok after that no ones been using my broadband plus I turn the system off after I done on my computer.
     
  18. cncman

    cncman Senior Member

    Thats a good point too, about photos of the actual coin. I am the owner of the photos, I took them, they are mine, I complained as the owner and ebay did NOTHING about it, not even a contact saying "we received your complaint". After 2 requests the seller pulled the photos from his auction saying he didn't know why I was making such a big deal about it and I need to find something better to do with my time. Good thing is I put a warning in my auctions that another seller was stealing my photos, and his coins haven't brough anywhere near what mine have and people have contacted me with support and saying they don't want to buy anything from him.

     
  19. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    We have had this discussion previously. There is not a question of whether eBay will act or not, but a question of your being able to prove that they should act. Your not being a party to the actual situation means that you only have hearsay evidence. If you can prove that the lister does not have the coin, eBay has and will pull the listing. If you remember the seller who had multiple listings of a Lincoln silver dollar reported here (http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t54366/), they wound up pulling most of his duplicate listings because he had multiple listings giving the same certification listing. Obviously, he could not have had 3, 4, or 5 of the same coin with the same certification number. Therefore, they pulled his listings both past and present.

    As an aside to this, the rule you sited (stock photos cannot be used...) is not a blanket statement, but has exceptions and exclusions. You may or may not be aware of all since they do not see fit to publish all their rules.
     
  20. Razor

    Razor Senior Member

    Wow, I started that discussion and this is news to me. Good for ebay. If you recall, I said I wouldn't report the listings (and I didn't) because ebay was notorious for ignoring complaints re. coins. So this is a surprise to me, although it is welcome news.

    Ebay could do so much more to rope in questionable auctions and sellers. Too often they turn a blind eye to protect their fees. In the case of photo stealers, there are a number of things they could do to stop that practice, but they don't because they can't be bothered.
     
  21. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    ..if it bugs you report it but I would probably not bother if it were me.
     
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