Featured Counterfeit 1964 Kennedy Half - Finally able to see one..

This coin looks to be a Struck Counterfeit of base metal overplated with a final nickel plate (either Electroless or Electroplate). For example, a base metal of Antimonial Lead (2% to 10% Antimony) results in a Lead Alloy that is relatively hard, but still capable of taking an impression, with a density of anywhere from 9.6 to 11.3 gm/cm3; Coin Silver Alloy is 10.31 gm/cm3. The struck counterfeit is then treated to accept a Copper Strike, followed by a final Nickel Plate. The finished coin will then (if the dies--including the Edge Dies--were well executed) have the same dimensions of the actual coin with a weight that will be very close to a real coin and a finish that will resemble a real coin--enough to fool many people.

The object of the counterfeiter is to make a coin that can be mass-produced at a relatively low cost--in the case of the 1964 Kennedy--one that was originally 90% silver and that is an issue that is well known, widely collected and also hoarded (the last large 90% circulating coin of a popular issue) so that there is a profit for each coin produced--especially for roll or larger quantities (ex: at today's Silver close of $28.18 the true 1964 Kennedy Melt Value is $9.47) makes it worth their effort.

A Struck Counterfeit can be made from dies that were prepared by one of four general Methods: [ (1) Engraving into a hardenable alloy; (2) multiple-process Plating over a legitimate coin to form a shell, and then reinforcing it for striking; (3) Casting a hardenable alloy; or (4) Hubbing, by forcefully impressing a legitimate coin into a softer alloy]. A coin made from dies produced in Methods (2) through (4) can make passable copies albeit with some loss of detail compared to the original legitimate coin; plating the counterfeit will further reduce fineness of detail. Also, as observed by Ethan and shown in his photo, Nickel Plating will have a yellowish color. An excellent book on the subject of Counterfeit Coins is: "NUMISMATIC FORGERY" by Charles M. Larson.

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Well I do not know what to think, it is back with its owner so no more testing on my end. I know that once we find that 'first' one then AMPEX and JP Bullion bags become garbage....

 

You see what I see

 

Kool-Aid smile

 

Apropos nothing at all, many years ago when I was 15 and not very sophisticated about coins, I bought each of my parents a silver dollar key chain for their 25th or silver wedding anniversary. There was a small rectangle on the chain for a short engraving.
Years later when I was working for Coin World I looked at one of them and realized that the coin had been plated with something to keep it from tarnishing. From what I know now it was probably Rhodium. So, a common and absolutely genuine silver coin that had been plated.

 

Well with Rhodium, it has more value than the silver right? Would that not be ironic?


2310.00 -102.00 -4.51% 16:11
Rhodium 19250.00 500.00 2.99% 09:16

Point is, once we have a certified 'fake' 64 junk Kennedy, buying junk silver becomes a problem unless you want Quarters or Dimes.

The 64 Kennedy is the mainstay of junk silver to ME. I have no proof that it has been compromised as of yet. It will happen at some point which is why I wanted this coin in my hands to make sure.

Plated? ok good with that.


I am surprised no one else sees what I see about the day when it does come.

 

Well with Rhodium, it has more value than the silver right? Would that not be ironic?


2310.00 -102.00 -4.51% 16:11
Rhodium 19250.00 500.00 2.99% 09:16

Point is, once we have a certified 'fake' 64 junk Kennedy, buying junk silver becomes a problem unless you want Quarters or Dimes.

The 64 Kennedy is the mainstay of junk silver to ME. I have no proof that it has been compromised as of yet. It will happen at some point which is why I wanted this coin in my hands to make sure.

Plated? ok good with that.


I am surprised no one else sees what I see about the day when it does come.

 

Dup

 

Dup

 

Well with Rhodium, it has more value than the silver right? Would that not be ironic?


2310.00 -102.00 -4.51% 16:11
Rhodium 19250.00 500.00 2.99% 09:16

Point is, once we have a certified 'fake' 64 junk Kennedy, buying junk silver becomes a problem unless you want Quarters or Dimes.

The 64 Kennedy is the mainstay of junk silver to ME. I have no proof that it has been compromised as of yet. It will happen at some point which is why I wanted this coin in my hands to make sure.

Plated? ok good with that.


I am surprised no one else sees what I see about the day when it does come.

 

Chrome plated probably in a belt buckle or money clip at one time.
attracted to a magnet...
As said The Chrome plating will stick to a magnet and account for the added weight.

You overpaid for the sample.

 

As to junk silver, I've followed the suggestion of someone from this list - old dimes! Lots of em - you can buy them cheap and if you ever need to use them as barter they will be easy to exchange for small items at about $2 current silver value. Just my 10c.

 

Me too

Means nothing. Some coins are struck on planchets that are a bit thicker. That's normal.

Nope. Not at all.

 

Chrome is not magnetic.

 

Ok, I see I have to get a little more technical.

Ahem, the Nickel plating over the copper under the chrome is slightly magnetic.

At least 40 years ago when I was chroming mustang parts it was.
The guys would routinely test the process with copper pennys and mexican 20 centavos.
plating with a high iron nickel plating then chrome.

 

...let me wrap my head around that...

 

According to Kitco Rhodium was stable at $200 an ounce in 1972.

 

Canadian pre 1982 nickels make great donors

 

you took the words right out of my mouth