Yes, I heard it before....doesn't mean I have to agree with it as a Lincoln collector. Exceptions have to be made in the Lincoln series, let me try to sway you to the "dark side". Please look at this coin and tell me what you think the grade is:
Thad, there might be some die deterioration there, too, but that's an obviously weak-struck '25-D, that never looked sharper than that from the day it was minted. That fact should not detract from its technical grade. I don't remember the nuances of the '25-D series off-hand, but if they're generally struck much better than that, that weak strike should command considerably-less money. But that's it. According to the book. According to the TPGs, who the hell knows? Back to your '22-D or no D (whatever the case may be), I hope you understood I'm saying I can see that higher VG grade on a series described overall as that weakly-struck.
HEHEHEHE....It's all in good fun my friend! The 25-D and -S Lincolns were some of the worst coins minted. Chuck Daughtrey photograded the 25-D an AU-58. When I saw this coin I had to have it. It's the best example of extreme die deterioration I've ever seen....I love it!
Oh I know! It's that intonation thingy, I guess (or, more precisely, lack thereof), that goes hand-in-glove with print communications. That's all. When I'm yelling at you, Thad, you won't have to guess at that D ). Anywho, took a few minutes to dig up one of my '25s. Besides the obvious dings and wear, there's weak strike going on all over that coin. Just look at the bottom halves of the wheat curls on that reverse, however. There's wear, there, obviously. But, when was the last time you saw those areas wear that unevenly? Inference, there's also weak strike going on on that curl on the viewer's right (I'll maintain); point being, when you can identify it, you make allowances for that in the assigned grade, you don't hold that weakness against the grade. At least, I don't.
I think the example you posted is just heavily worn and cleaned. The P mint coins were generally well-struck. It's the branch mints that really had issues, workers that didn't care and poor quality control.
Guilty as charged on the cleaning and wear. I thought these strikes back then were all pretty marginal. I'm going to have to get better and distinguish the branch mint strikes.
You can resubmit it all you want, but they only give the No D designation to Die pair 2 which this definately doesn't look like. No die pair 2, no No D, doesn't matter if the D is there or not.