09 S VDB Real??

I agree with HandsomeToad that it was an attempt to be obverse #1, but the diagram from Pennyguy seals the deal for me.
Close but no cigar.
still FAKE

 

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My question or statement deals with the number of dies that would be used to produce 484,000 coins, In 1909 what was the life of a die before it was relieved of duty. 120,000+ coins per die would seem logical

 

What I don't think you understood is there were 4 Master Hubs and from those, working dies were made, which would have been identical to the Master Hub. So there were NOT 4 dies total but rather, 4 Master Hubs and an unknown number of working dies made from the Master Hubs.

Or, at least, that's how I understand it? :goofer:

Ribbit

 

I think it's obverse #1 and authentic but like I said originally, I ain't no expert on these so take my words as an opinion only.

Ribbit

 

Nothing I see says that it is not real unless it has to be #1 - because the "S" is too low and too slanted for a #1. However, it is a perfect match for #2. The only hesitation I have is that the "S" is too worn to use the markers on it.

BTW, pennyguy, your vertical lines needs to be slanted about 30°.

 

Quote from HandsomeToad:

I agree. As I understand the issue was not that the dies wore out for the VDB, but the mint said stop production and changed the MASTER HUB to eliminate the V.D.B.

But this is a side issue, as can be seen from Pennyguy's drawing. the slant of the 'S' is wrong and it is also too low to be the Obverse #1
So
still FAKE IMO

 

Look at pennyguys' marks for the vertical line. He missed the lower one significantly. The tail of the "S" sticks out to the left of his vertical line.

 

I don't know whether real or fake, but I do agree with rlm's cents comment that the drawing is off. The line should be tilted if the edge of the "s" is followed.

 

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As requested

 

I'd say 20% is closer to what the "s" is doing...

 

Seems I'm having trouble seeing things today. The previous pic with a line labeled 30 degrees was wrong, should have said 20 degrees. Good catch bobbeth87 :thumb:

Lets try this...

 

OK! so my eyeball isn't calibrated. You got the idea anyway. I am going to guess 15°.

BTW, ° = Alt + 0176.

 

I've seen that actual coin before on ebay, it has traded hands at least three or four times that I know of. It is real and it is die pair 1, IMO. Honestly as a filler coin with F details it'll probably close in on $550-600 before the auction is over.